Sir Hadyn Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 December 22nd 2010 saw the NRM team at Shildon roll out the first Crab in Crimson Lake since the 1930s. The class pioneer has been in LMS black as 2700 since preservation, but recent conservation work gave us the chance to paint her in maroon as 13000 as she was when new. We know there are some detail differences - but hope you enjoy the end product as much as we do! [/img] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted December 27, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2010 That's looking very nice, gives a good excuse to run un-weathered locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Looks fabulous. There's nothing that looks as good in the snow as a Crimson engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted December 27, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2010 That looks absolutely gorgeous! A friend of mine has a photo of his dad in the cab of a "Crab" in this livery, from his footplate days at Willesden. Although we have a model version, seeing the full size loco in that livery really brings home just how spectacular some of the earlier liveries were. I am not old enough to really remember "real" steam so I have no particular affinity, as many do, for the 1960's black and (as a friend calls it!) GWR "cowpat" green. I now model pregrouping railways but the "Crab" just seems to belong in that era, with its L & Y parentage, even though it is really an LMS design. Well done the NRM for taking the plunge and doing something very worthwhile in my view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Bravo. Good the see the NRM showing how an LMS red engine should be. But please paint that reversing reach rod crimson lake too. Cheers, Larry Goddard PS: Hope you don't mind me making that 'Crab' shot my PC desktop image... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Thanks Larry, I was wondering about the reach rod too, but was not about to argue with the NRM! Painting a Crab crimson may be authentic but with their LY parentage and their general familarity as a black engine it does seem strange. That said, I think the NRM ringing the changes on locos like this and the streamlining of the Duchess keeps the museum alive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted December 27, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2010 Looks very nice indeed. I wonder if Bachmann will do a limited edition through their collectors club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Not sure what all the small structural innacuracies are to make in not really correct in red livery apart from tender coal rails, but I don't think it matters much. The first 100 or so were red and it does give the public a chance to see what these engines looked like when first introduced. Bachmann, Dapol and Hornby please note the shade of lake (for LMS and BR post 1956 maroon stock) and that it looks richer when it is not matt.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Not only does the crimson lake look magnificent, the black ain't bad either. Very, very nice. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted December 27, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2010 Is it ever going to be a runner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Phil H : Is it ever going to be a runner? I can almost feel your enthusiasm for driving it from here Phil. But your fireman might not like the injectors. I heard or read a story once that under BR they were initially 6P/5F and someone said they should be 5MT. This was frowned upon because such a move would lead to reducing the load of excursions trains that the Crabs routinely hauled! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 Thanks All Yes, it may seem odd, but my reasoning behind the repaint was that the engine needed some serious conservation work which would interfere with it structurally and necessitate a touch up if not repaint, particularly as it is to go back to York in 2011 for display - so my brain said "BR black, LMS black or LMS Crimson Lake?". At that stage, we chose the latter because it was a livery that had not been seen for a long time and if done well would refresh the loco and be a real exhibition piece. Phil Anderson the painter and signwriter has really made it so. Little did we know that the East Lancs Railway had decided to turn their Crab out in red too...as 13065! The attached image is the main one we worked from, being off an LMS poster of 1926 - and yes, I see we missed the reach rod. Will try and sort that after Christmas, thanks! You can also see the main differences - coal rails, pony truck brakes and drain cocks... http://nationalrailwaymuseum.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lms-crab001.jpg We also used the Jenkinson & Essery LMS locomotive books, the recent RCTS Crab book and the Wild Swan LMS loco series Crab book plus evidence off the loco itself. The shade looks different in sun and shade and is from Williamson's of Ripon. As for will it run again? I doubt it. Withdrawn in 1967 and then run at Keighley until it would not run anymore around 1970-1, it is tired mechanically and worn out in the boiler department. It has basically been untouched since apart from the previous repaint into LMS black at Derby about 30 years ago. There is 1/8" play between the axleboxes and the hornguides for instance, poor thing! Anyhow, glad to know it is already bringing pleasure, it'll be on view at Shildon from 4th January and at some date in the Spring before she goes down to York, we'll have a public photo session for her outside. Cheers Anthony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 PS. We also know that we ran out of time to strip and polish the ejector... PPS. Larry, please feel free to use it as a desktop - I am! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointstaken Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Whether it runs or not, it is a rather splendid and beautifully executed livery. Dennis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 December 22nd 2010 saw the NRM team at Shildon roll out the first Crab in Crimson Lake since the 1930s. The class pioneer has been in LMS black as 2700 since preservation, but recent conservation work gave us the chance to paint her in maroon as 13000 as she was when new. We know there are some detail differences - but hope you enjoy the end product as much as we do! [/img] Beautifully done that. This, along with 6229 must go down as the most stunning repaints of the last two years. Now imagine if a certain can of worms was painted in this correct shade - would we all moan about the boiler not being right for the livery? I highly doubt it! Well, not as much perhaps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted December 29, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2010 It looks gorgeous. I've mentioned this before, but what I would love to see is Hardwicke in crimson. I wonder if Sir Haydn has any feelings about whether this could ever happen. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 If I get to put 3717 into LNW/BR black as per 1984... It would look nice, but maybe not yet. Give me 10 years... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 George Mellor was a died in the woold LNWR man, so when I painted his Hardwicke display model in LMS lake livery he almost decomposed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Whilst my abiding memory of Crabs is a workstained, dirty and often ill maintained loco clanking by Linney Lane overbridge in Shaw, and will always be so, I've got to say that it looks stunning in that livery, it suits them very much indeed. The paint job and lining is a credit to those who did it, nice to see real craftsmanship still exists rather than someone rolling a vynyl overlay on a 185 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 looks great, not my favourite, I like BR black, but it does look very impressive does anyone know how the other crab is? Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted January 2, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2011 There's a third Crab somewhere (42859?), last I read of it was that it remains a rusty kit of parts in basically ex-Barry condition (lots of bits missing) and sits on an airfield site in (I think) Yorks or Lincs. Does anyone have any more info? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60B Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 There's a third Crab somewhere (42859?), last I read of it was that it remains a rusty kit of parts in basically ex-Barry condition (lots of bits missing) and sits on an airfield site in (I think) Yorks or Lincs. Does anyone have any more info? Thats the long and short of it I'm afraid. Crimson Lake does look nice on what is a rather unglamourous engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Crimson Lake does look nice on what is a rather unglamourous engine. Hey up, Crabs were a luxury in Lancashire.B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 dismantled 42859... http://simonguppy556.fotopic.net/p64069999.html Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted January 2, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2011 Thanks 60B/Mike - I had a feeling it wasn't going to steam for a while yet . Do you know if it's intended for an established scheme/preserved line? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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