Waverley West Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, bcnPete said: Are you sure that’s not your layout Dave? Your pics are always really cracking Thanks Pete! Yep, that's my layout. And a Heljan 47 to the right (47510 if I remember rightly). I actually took the photo before I ballasted the track, so a bit of smoke and mirrors was necessary. Cheers, Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted March 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2020 22 hours ago, Waverley West said: One of my biggest attractions to Waverley in the 80s was the sheer variety of motive power and stock Absolutely agree, I spent many happy hours bashing using Waverley as my base on various railrovers. WW is a wonderful layout and helps rekindle my memories of my bashing days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted March 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 3, 2020 Another relatively uncommon one would be a cl.31, not sure of their possible workings but certainly worked the Edin-Newcastle stoppers in the early-mid '80s. Layout and stock are looking great Dave, particularly the a/c mk2 rake. Always had a liking for buffet coaches because the correct ones are not often done unless they're a standard RB or RMB - so liking your RFB very much! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Hi Dave, Cracking photos as ever. Really like the MK2 cross country set, the weathering and detailing is excellent. I seem to recall seeing a photo of the crane on the Granton branch following a derailment or crash possible involving a 40? You can’t have too many 47’s for your era either! It’s funny as I’ve been watching footage on YouTube from around 89-92 and amazing how many of the ex Scottish 47’s found work in the northwest before many ended up down south. One I’ve got on my list to maybe do is 47597. Large logo blue with westie, and a larger 9. Shame you missed Glasgow it was a cracking show this year but hopefully see you next Feb up here. all the best Mark 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 On 03/03/2020 at 18:04, MRDBLUE17 said: Hi Dave, Cracking photos as ever. Really like the MK2 cross country set, the weathering and detailing is excellent. I seem to recall seeing a photo of the crane on the Granton branch following a derailment or crash possible involving a 40? You can’t have too many 47’s for your era either! It’s funny as I’ve been watching footage on YouTube from around 89-92 and amazing how many of the ex Scottish 47’s found work in the northwest before many ended up down south. One I’ve got on my list to maybe do is 47597. Large logo blue with westie, and a larger 9. Shame you missed Glasgow it was a cracking show this year but hopefully see you next Feb up here. all the best Mark Thanks Mark. It's been very frustrating to have missed Glasgow for the past couple of years. Hopefully, half-term won't clash with the show next year and we won't be away, so I'll be able to make it. It was never a problem until recently, when they set half-term to the same week in February as Glasgow. Typical! It's scary to think that we only have two more years left with children at school anyway. Where did the time go? Hope to catch up with you sometime later in the year. Cheers Dave 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) Excellent as ever from up Cumbria. Not many RM Members gets likes purely on the opening of a Steam Crane box First did Haymarket in 1975 "Union of South Africa" was in on heavy overhaul which always sticks in my memory - not at least that it's ML certificate is now up and may not run on BR Metals again. Ever considered 60009 Dave - or is it pushing a bit? Edited March 6, 2020 by Crisis Rail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) Hi again folks, I've spent my spare time this week working on a few quick-win projects, always good for the modelling mojo. 47500 has had its centre axle modified in my normal way, to give the wheelset some play. I find this reduces the frequency of derailments which I find a problem with Bachmann Co-Co's sometimes due to the rigidity of the centre wheelset. Another Mk 2f TSO has been released from the works, to replace the FO in the push-pull rake, which was commandeered for the sleeper rake. 150283 has also been undergoing repairs, as it's coupling had been damaged at some point. Fortunately, I had a spare end from my conversion of 150 001 left over, so I could just cut off the old end of the frame and graft on a new one. Finally, I have weathered a couple of wagons.... Firstl up, a Heljan Cargowaggon van, which has had its couplings moved from the chassis to the bogies, as this greatly reduces derailments. I have found these unusable without this modification. This was a pristine model before, which just didn't look right to my eyes. It's been weathered to give it that overall brown look with the data panels partially cleaned (and then weathered again)... Finally for now, I have also weathered a Dapol JIA, as this was pristine too. It has now been weathered in much the same way as the Cargowaggon van, but with streaks of china clay slurry down the side. The data panels have been cleaned but have then weathered again. Next project? I really must get round to doing those station walls! Cheers for now, Dave Edited March 6, 2020 by Waverley West 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Waverley West Posted March 6, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: Excellent as ever from up Cumbria. Not many RM Members gets likes purely on the opening of a Steam Crane box First did Haymarket in 1975 "Union of South Africa" was in on heavy overhaul which always sticks in my memory - not at least that it's ML certificate is now up and may not run on BR Metals again. Ever considered 60009 Dave - or is it pushing a bit? Thanks CR! 60009 is my go-to loco for steam-hauled railtours, and my favourite steam loco of all in fact too (despite my otherwise GW steam leanings) after a private viewing of the loco many moons ago in Markinch goods shed. I now also have a J36 but this struggles to pull a reasonably prototypical (short) rake around the layout, so 60009 still does most of the honours. Here she is on my photographic plank outside... Edited March 6, 2020 by Waverley West 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Beaut - Saying a lot from a BR Blue orientated chap but I do like the A4's Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted March 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2020 On 29/02/2020 at 16:00, Waverley West said: Thanks Pete! Yep, that's my layout. And a Heljan 47 to the right (47510 if I remember rightly). I actually took the photo before I ballasted the track, so a bit of smoke and mirrors was necessary. Cheers, Dave OMFG Well you had me fooled Dave...I genuinely thought that was a real photo...stunning! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Module00 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 What an incredible layout ! It’s so realistic. I’m still very much in awe of your work. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Looking forward to new update Dave,and another video when you can... Thanks neil.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Waverley West Posted March 29, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2020 Hello my friends, Well, it's been a while since my last confession. I hope you're staying safe and well and managing to cope in these difficult times, and maybe even squeezing in a bit more modelling time. I think I've actually managed a bit more time in the railway room over the past couple of weeks. Over the past few weeks, I have unfortunately developed an obsession with a wall, the north wall of Waverley station to be precise. This unfortunate obsession came about as a result of me wanting to produce a more accurate representation of the wall for WW and I've discovered that recreating the colouring on a wall during a specific period of history is a lot harder than I first thought. My aim was to recreate the wall as it was in the second half of the 80s. The problem is, as I've mentioned before, the colouring of the wall changed hugely after it was cleaned in the mid-80s and then weathered through to 1990. Add to that the fact that the colouring of the wall changes with the lighting conditions and viewing angle, making getting an accurate picture of the colour of the wall almost impossible. In the end, I opted for the picture below as my reference shot, as it includes quite a bit of the wall in a single shot. It was taken in 1985, not all that long after the wall was cleaned (apologies if the shot breaches copyright, but I don't think it does). Anyway, many, many iterations of painting and weathering later, I think I've come up with quite a nice rendition of the wall as it was from 1985-87'ish. As WW's era is 79-89, it will have to do outside the 85-87 period. This was my reference... ...and this is my effort... It looks a bit closer still in the sunlight. It's not actually stuck to the old wall as yet, so the joins are a bit more obvious than they hopefully will be once it's finished. I'm pretty pleased with the end result and I think it puts WW firmly in the 80s now. A final coat with Humbrol acrylic matt varnish gave it the dead flat appearance I was after, especially as I often view the wall backlit with the window behind. The old version looked very unrealistically shiny when backlit. The next job will be to glue it to the wall. I'm also in the process of repainting the Mound Tunnel entrance for the umpteenth time, so that it better matches the weathering/colouring of the wall. There's also a low section of wall to do above the main wall, but that is also ready for gluing now. It will then be on to painting the coping stones and the fencing will be refurbished and repaired where necessary. The plan is to finish the Waverley section before moving on to do the Princes St. Gardens section. The surface ballast will also be replaced with a greyer version and then it will be all systems go with detailing hopefully. Happy modelling and stay safe one and all! Hope to be back soon with another update, Dave 43 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Very nice update there Dave.. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Module00 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Yes a fantastic update ! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley47708 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Cracking job, any chance you can give us an idea of the colours you used. The wall, the hedge in Princess Street Gardens, the North British Hotel and the face of the bridge over the station all changed by the mid 80s! As you say the wall got lighter as did the hotel. The hedge is more complicated, in some photos it is big and fairly continuous, in others it is bitty and has been chopped right back. Although the sides of the bridge are complex enough to scratch build, the solid version of the second half of the 80s is easier to scratch built than the earlier version with the gaps and more intricate features. I have seen photos of the modifications to the bridge with a 27 on the Dundee services underneath it. At a guess I'd go for pre 84 for the modifications to the bridge. If I can find the photo I'll see if the walls were cleaned before or after the bridge was modified. Always enjoy an update from Waverley West. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 45156 Posted March 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Waverley47708 said: The wall, the hedge in Princess Street Gardens, the North British Hotel and the face of the bridge over the station all changed by the mid 80s! I remember that hedge well - in about 1963 (ish), I was allowed to go alone on the 15 bus to Princes Street from my dad's cousin where we used to stay for a couple of weeks in the summer and a number of enthusiasts would scramble through the hedge where there were some well extablished paths, to press against the railings to see what was coming and going - all the locos to and from Haymarket, and all the service trains to the North and to Glasgow. If I was lucky, my dad's other cousin, Alex McNair, would be up from Crewe to visit his mum, and would take me to Dalry Road where there was always the prospect of a footplate ride ot two. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Morning Dave, I hope you and the family are well. Can I ask what gangway connectors you use on your mk2 stock...they look very effective. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 28/02/2020 at 16:58, Waverley West said: Some more piccies as promised... Great images Dave, This is my favourite image, the track looks like it follows the terrain of the countryside. 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 31/03/2020 at 07:43, Waverley47708 said: Cracking job, any chance you can give us an idea of the colours you used. The wall, the hedge in Princess Street Gardens, the North British Hotel and the face of the bridge over the station all changed by the mid 80s! As you say the wall got lighter as did the hotel. The hedge is more complicated, in some photos it is big and fairly continuous, in others it is bitty and has been chopped right back. Although the sides of the bridge are complex enough to scratch build, the solid version of the second half of the 80s is easier to scratch built than the earlier version with the gaps and more intricate features. I have seen photos of the modifications to the bridge with a 27 on the Dundee services underneath it. At a guess I'd go for pre 84 for the modifications to the bridge. If I can find the photo I'll see if the walls were cleaned before or after the bridge was modified. Always enjoy an update from Waverley West. Thanks! After much experimentation, I settled on the following base colour for the walls and tunnel portals: 2 parts Humbrol Matt 93 Desert sand and 1 part Phoenix Precision GWR Stone No. 1 (Matt) (Light stone). The proportions were deliberately kept approximate to produce some variation. This base coat was then weathered using Railmatch Frame dirt, which was wiped off with a cloth lightly soaked in thinners after application. This was followed by very light sanding with fine emery cloth and general distressing of the walls. It was then all finished off by a coat or two of Humbrol Acrylic matt varnish, which was the only varnish I tried which produced a truly matt/flat appearance (I tried various kinds including Testors Dullcote, Humbrol Enamel and Railmatch Enamel, but none produced as matt a finish as the Humbrol Acrylic version, which may have been my fault. Some final variation in the colouring was achieved by carefully applying weathering powders and I'll probably carry on tickering with this until I'm truly happy with it or I've made a complete mess of it, whichever comes first (I know which outcome my money's on - the latter!!). Hope that helps! Yes, some major changes took place to the Princes St Gardens hedge, the North British Hotel and the face of Waverley Bridge over the station. As you say, the original unmodified Waverley Bridge was much more ornate, which was partly why I opted to do the later version! It was bad enough scratchbuilding the simpler version. I think the North British Hotel was cleaned a bit later than the station area (possibly around 86?), as I've seen quite a few shots of the station when it was clean but with the hotel still dark brown/black. The hedge on the other side of the fence in the station area/Princes St Gardens also changed over the decade and this is something I've only really just picked up on too. Modelling a real location does have its advantages, but boy does it cause headaches too. WW will never be a truly accurate depiction of Waverley in a particular year in the 80s, but hopefully it captures the atmosphere and feel of the place back then. That's really what I'm after, not a slavish copy. As fun as it would be, I don't have either the room or the time for that! Cheers for now, Dave 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 31/03/2020 at 07:56, 45156 said: I remember that hedge well - in about 1963 (ish), I was allowed to go alone on the 15 bus to Princes Street from my dad's cousin where we used to stay for a couple of weeks in the summer and a number of enthusiasts would scramble through the hedge where there were some well extablished paths, to press against the railings to see what was coming and going - all the locos to and from Haymarket, and all the service trains to the North and to Glasgow. If I was lucky, my dad's other cousin, Alex McNair, would be up from Crewe to visit his mum, and would take me to Dalry Road where there was always the prospect of a footplate ride ot two. Happy memories, hey Stewart? I didn't model that hedge first time around, but that's about to change now with the refresh of the station area. I'm currently repainting the tunnel portal and coping stones for the wall, so that they match the new colouring of the wall. Some replacement fencing has also arrived to enable repairs to the fence, which got damaged over the years. Cheers Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 31/03/2020 at 08:15, blueeighties said: Morning Dave, I hope you and the family are well. Can I ask what gangway connectors you use on your mk2 stock...they look very effective. Cheers Lee. They're from York Modelmaking: https://yorkmodelrail.com/ I like them too. As long as there's no more than gentle contact between the two coaches, they don't seem to cause derailments either, even in push mode with my HSTs and push-pull rakes. Big gaps between coaches always look a bit daft to me and these solve the problem without having to worry too much about closing up the gap between coaches. That bothers me a lot less for some reason! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 10:51, Waverley West said: Cheers Lee. They're from York Modelmaking: https://yorkmodelrail.com/ I like them too. As long as there's no more than gentle contact between the two coaches, they don't seem to cause derailments either, even in push mode with my HSTs and push-pull rakes. Big gaps between coaches always look a bit daft to me and these solve the problem without having to worry too much about closing up the gap between coaches. That bothers me a lot less for some reason! Cheers, I'll try some of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 Hi folks, Just a quick pitstop post to show the current state of play with the repainting of the tunnel mouth to match the "new" walls. This has been painted the base colour mentioned a few posts ago. I then added subtle variations to some of the stone colours and am now ready for the final weathering stage. Here are a couple of phone shots... All the coping stones have now been painted too, so both walls can now be glued into place. Hope to be back soon with another update. Cheers for now, Dave 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Waverley West Posted April 5, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 ...and breathe. Phew, glad that's done.... ..and finally a rare view showing The Mound Tunnel unit in position as I normally see it.... Cheers Dave 27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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