AndrewC Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 How does that work then... N = Not smelly at all HO = Hardly Odourous OO = Often Oderous O = Oh My goodness... With that pong scale: T gaugers must be quite floral while people modelling in gauge 3 must be environmental hazards. T: eau de Toilet G: Gag me 1 -3: Los Angeles smog alert ratings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 HI All Having seen most things and experienced a fare few of the incidents reported here, the thing that gets me the most is the parents who wont control there little bundles of snot "sorry Joy" when you ask them to keep there hands of the layout. Kids will be kids at the end of the day. It annoys me when it is assumed model railway shows have to be "kid orientated". They should be welcomed, but parents must accept it's a serious hobby for grown ups. I wouldn't take my 22 month old son to a Car dealership and expect him to be tolerated to any great extent, apart from maybe a token pedal car. I did take him to a recent show and overheard a comment from someone saying "That's the future of the hobby".... I don't know if they were referring to Elliot in his pram, being entertained by some excellent operating on a N gauge 4-track mainline, or his 36yr old Dad, still young by Model Railway standards but with some disposable income and space available to invest in the hobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hey hang on: what about TT, EM, P4? I think I know what "S" denotes, though.... Perhaps TT = Tiniest Trace EM = Extremely Musky P4 = Pong 4ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted February 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2011 Having worked with children and young adults who have specific learning difficulties, autism and aspergers, I'm not comfortable with the use of the word suffering - it seems to home in on whatever condition or disability they have rather than looking at the individual. As the father of an autistic boy I don't feel he suffers at all - he's generally very happy in his own world, and only gets upset when asked to come into our world. It can be difficult to explain why he must or must not do certain things and this is what causes his frustration and anxiety. As for rucksacks, yep, guilty, as I have to carry his very specific drink & biscuits, and often need to hold his hand too, especially in large crowds. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Its very true on both counts, tho' when I lived in England and tried to get to the Manchester and Wigan shows even though they were classed as 'serious' shows you still seemed to encounter the 'muppets' - I certainly enjoyed events like EM North and the RMWEB member days for the 'like mindedness' of people attending, makes for a much more enjoyable event. I would have probably stopped going to 'big' shows anyway- and don't miss them now my location means it is fairly impractical to get to ANY exhibitions! Russ - if you haven't had the experience yet, I can recommend the A.M.R.S.S. show in Glasgow in about 10 days time. I'll be there all day Friday and Saturday until mid-afternoon - on Haston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamouti Ben Yafo Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Perhaps TT = Tiniest Trace EM = Extremely Musky P4 = Pong 4ever Ah; I just knew this was going to end up e finescale thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Well if the terminologies are good enough for http://www.mind.org.uk/, then thats good enough for me. You'll just have to be uncomfortable. Mind are generally concerned with, I believe, with mental heelth and supporting people who may have mental illnesses. Specific learning difficulties are not illnesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Just how PC do folk expect us to be on here anyway AFAIC the precise words Paul used don't matter, it's his intention that counts, and that was obviously above board with no malice or judgment intended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike J Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 We're getting slightly off topic with the terminology debate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Ian, I think my feelings come from the number of people (including HR types at my last employer) telling me I 'suffer from dyslexia' - I don't suffer at all! In fact next time someone says that, I'll have to try very hard to remain calm! One lad I met while at uni had aspergers syndrome. He was a lovely lad and explained the difficulties he experienced with social interaction - he had to learn how to react rather than instinctively knowing s most people should do. His explanations were very interesting. Autism, Aspergers, Dyslexia, Dyscalculer (sp?) and dyspraxia are all related - they are simply a reflection that the person's mind interprets information slightly differently from those perceived as 'normal'. Hence a person with dyslexia may mis-read words and someone with aspergers can't tell someone's emotions from body language. In severe cases it will be obvious and people will (hopefully) make allowances but in mild and moderate cases it may not be noticable that the person has what they have. In these instances, especially with aspegers (people with aspersgers are normally highly intellignent for example), people may appear rude but the reality is they just find it harder to exist in a world with normal people. This last bit, I hope, gets back on topic as it may explain why some people at exhibtions and in life generally react and behave as they do! It doesn't explain the perfectly 'normal' people who are just rude and ill mannered though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike J Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 At the recent Doncaster show, I was witness to what most people would regard as rude behaviour by one young man who said "Excuse me" (no please) in a rather loud voice and proceeded to push his way to the barriers in front of our layout. One gentleman made way so that half a space was created, but the said young man then shoved his frame in front of the gentleman who was then propelled into the second row. I made eye contact with the poor chap who had been shoved, but he just seemed to accept his fate and move off to another layout. I was about to remonstrate with the "shover", only to have my suspicions confirmed that he was indeed autistic or aspergers by his subsequent behaviour. I did nothing! Was I correct in making allowances for his condition, or did I dip out? I am familiar with the aspergers condition as my son has a friend with it and this young man certainly behaved in a similar fashion. BTW, as I've mentioned in another thread, the photo brigade at Doncaster were very polite on the whole, nearly all asking to take photos and use flash. We always try to reply, "Yes, it's fine, and thank you for asking". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Charon Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Then again, people who spray themselves with so much perfume or deodorant that the air becomes a chemical smog are at least as bad as people with BO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod5 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Before we become too bogged down with semantics I don't think the exact meaning of 'suffer' is derogatory in any form and certainly in this case I feel sure not meant as such. Bad manners are all around us in all walks of life and have been discussed at length on here recently. In truth we learn such things as manners or lack of them from our parents. If the ones we are talking about here have children of their own what would we expect them to turn out like? If you cannot change it then there is little point fretting about it. I am not saying bad manners should be tolerated just that we are a little far down the slippery road now to turn back. Looking on the bright side we are able to attend these exhibitions to enjoy or hobby whichever side of the rails we are and for that we maybe ought to be grateful. There are plenty of people about not able to have such pleasure for a variety of reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Had a smile at this one Quote: At the other extreme is when a society stand is used as a meeting point by members of that society - at big shows the stand becomes surrounded by its own members and then prospective members can't even look! At York one year I had to 'encourage' a group to move to one side to let the public see the stand! Sounds like the RMWebbers gathering round the (real) loco at Warley, when others want to see/phot/whatever it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Singpoint Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Reading this thread just goes to show how varied and rich life can be. As an exhibitor working behind a layout at various exhibitions I find part of the fun comes with interacting with the public. Our layout has one of the operating positions at the front with the public and it is pleasing to see a youngsters eyes light up as he or she is handed the controller and given the chance to drive a train out of the goods yard. It also gives the public the chance to ask questions. Obviously being so close to the public does have its drawbacks and I have had my share of unpleasant odours emanating from sweaty individuals. When not operating the layout I find exhibitions very relaxing when I can sit back and people watch. I sympathise with some of the comments here about rucksacks and the rugby scrum at the viewing barrier. Add to that the latest weapon (the shopping bag on wheels) and it's just like watching one of those computer simulation games. Another sight that is becoming increasingly common is women operating layouts. Years back I would get surprised looks on peoples faces as they would say " oh your'e a woman" nowadays I get a smile followed by a technical question, and I surprise them by answering it without much effort. Exhibiting can be long and tiring but is something I would not miss for all the experiences it brings. F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 To bring a bit of reflection on this, having coppered for over 26 years I can honestly say that NO ONE is 'normal'! Agree with bad manners, I have got to the stage where I just tell them. I suppose I am lucky, being 6'2", ex marine etc but no doubt will get a clout on the nose at some point. I get well peeved with rudeness and bad manners, where ever they are exhibited. I also wear or carry a back pack and take piccies at shows, never had a prob as I like to believe I am considerate of others, or at the very least, attempt to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Was I correct in making allowances for his condition, or did I dip out? I think you were right - especially as you're familiar with the your son's friends behaviour and reactions. Either way you've shown you're a decent human being and shown kindness and I think in big scheme of things, that's the most important thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Well, I 'suffer' from clinical depression. At times I am fine, at other times I suffer with it and so do those around me. One consequence is I have leaned to (1) make allowances for others, and (2) make allowances for me. It would take a substantial bribe to get me to Warley these days. The last time I went was rather like spending a day in a rugby scrum amid a broad selection of the characters described in this thread. I think for many of them 'manners' is the family name of the Duke of Rutland. They certainly haven't learnt any and they don't all have the excuse of being young and thoughtless. The GOG and other specialist exhibitions, such as those organised by the Scalefour and EM Gauge Societies seem to be the most civilised, and definitely the ones where I am most likely to be seen. For one thing they are quieter, which means that the impact of an individual oik is much less significant. I don't know what the answer is. One sort of expects model railway enthusiasts to be a slightly superior breed, but I suspect that in broad reality we reflect the spectrum of society as a whole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted February 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2011 Regarding behaviour, I suppose we should be grateful that only one Top Gear presenter appears to enjoy our hobby . I'm always a bit concerned that one of these guys returns to his 'home town' (Donny) on Exhibition week-end and turns up at the venue Cheers and may we continue to people watch for many years to come. F. Roid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 ... One sort of expects model railway enthusiasts to be a slightly superior breed, but I suspect that in broad reality we reflect the spectrum of society as a whole... Kind of similar to my thoughts each time this type of thread comes up... Are model rail show audiences really any worse than society at large; or do we expect a higher standard of those who have such a hobby (and are therefore disproportionately disappointed when the odd one lets the side down); or does the environment of a typical model rail show (enclosed venue, relatively close proximity to other people, scope for interaction with exhibitors/traders etc etc) simply make those selfish/arrogant/ignorant few more noticeable than they normally are in the open? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 To bring a bit of reflection on this, having coppered for over 26 years I can honestly say that NO ONE is 'normal'! Agree with bad manners, I have got to the stage where I just tell them. I suppose I am lucky, being 6'2", ex marine etc but no doubt will get a clout on the nose at some point. I get well peeved with rudeness and bad manners, where ever they are exhibited. I also wear or carry a back pack and take piccies at shows, never had a prob as I like to believe I am considerate of others, or at the very least, attempt to be. I'm about 6'5" and 20 odd stone myself so it comes in useful standing your ground if ill mannered oiks try and shove you out of the way. Extending ones elbow ever so slightly usually articulates the sentiment that you don't like being pushed and usually they stop shoving and wait their turn like everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Now if my name was Jack Reacher there would be no arguments..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike J Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm about 6'5" and 20 odd stone myself so it comes in useful standing your ground if ill mannered oiks try and shove you out of the way. Extenting ones elbow ever so slightly usually articulates the sentiment that you don't like being pushed and usually they stop shoving and wait their turn like everyone else. "Baby Deltic", you must be the "Little John" of the model railway world! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 "Baby Deltic", you must be the "Little John" of the model railway world! Yeah, I'm the little bloke that can hardly see over the layouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Regarding behaviour, I suppose we should be grateful that only one Top Gear presenter appears to enjoy our hobby . Does he...? At the start of the failed longest train set programme he announced that he wasn't a railway modeller, and on the previous top 10 toys he admitted to enjoying the challenge of a good shunting puzzle. If you'd watched either of these programmes you'd believe Railway Modellers either have a flat board on the dining table with a double track + sidings trackplan, a garden full of whimsical freelanced buildings with unprobable trains running round them, or own a large warehouse with vast scenes full of cameo details. He can also be rather rude when referring to experts. Like most people on here, I spent the next few weeks after the broadcast of those shows explaining to colleagues that my interest in the hobby has little relevance to anything seen on TV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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