00ERmissus Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Any body any ideas how long until these hit the shelves?? although i cant remember which one i pre ordered.... On or after 1 June according to my sources. It would now appear to be the latter. The main suppliers usually notify about a week or so ahead of delivery if you’re on their mailing lists. Also my credit card is normally debited at least a week before dispatch and so far, nothing, which is not surprising in the grand scheme of things. According to Heljan it’s ‘available’, so my guess is it must be in the Copenhagen Tunnel somewhere! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 On or after 1 June according to my sources. It would now appear to be the latter. The main suppliers usually notify about a week or so ahead of delivery if you’re on their mailing lists. Also my credit card is normally debited at least a week before dispatch and so far, nothing, which is not surprising in the grand scheme of things. According to Heljan it’s ‘available’, so my guess is it must be in the Copenhagen Tunnel somewhere! Thanks for that, just getting a bit impatiant now! might give Frizinghall a ring and see if the know anything, a nd which one iv ordered! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 It is my understanding that the BD may be delayed, due to all the models being sent for approval so far have been sent back. I think it depends on how the finish looks on the next models sent for approval. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Still no sign of the little critters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I was thinking the exact same thing, Hattons have recently changed the release date for the Class 28 to July , it looks like the Baby Deltics will be delivered at the same time as the release dates seemed to follow each other, its probably to avoid two seperate shipping charges for Heljan. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcroz Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 News Update taken from Heljan website - dated 4th August 2011: 'OO' class 23 'Baby Deltic' We apologise for the delayed release of this product which has been caused by the need to correct the livery samples we have received. We are now assured these keenly awaited models will be with us end September. As you may already know, these are all 'pre-sold' but the next batch of these locos are expected in December. Details of these can be found on on our web as well as at your local Heljan retailer - don't delay in placing your order! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I got this for each one ordered: Hello We thought you may like to know that an item you have on order with us, on order id xxxxxxx, has had some information about its release date added or updated. Heljan UK 2300 Class 23 Baby Deltic diesel D5900 in BR Green livery with Small Yellow Panels and 4 character headcode. £96.00 Our latest information from the supplier suggests this item will arrive with us on or after Thursday 1st September 2011 Whilst we are hopeful this information is accurate, manufacturer lead times are frequently prone to be delayed. This information is to be used as a guide only. We hope that this email has been useful. Regards Retail Team Hattons Model Railways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Kernow have the Baby Deltic listed as a late September early October release date, probably to be released with the Hattons 28. On a more positive note Heljan are releasing a further 4 livery and number variations to be released in December 2304-2307, 2307 being a br blue weathered variant. Hopefully a good sign the original version will be announced at Warley for next year, fingers crossed PS.Looks like you'll be spending another £400 Baby Deltic. Cheers Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 to be released in December 2304-2307, long time to wait. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 to be released in December 2304-2307, long time to wait. S'ok, by then we'll have a definitive 37 and 47 to go with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallaroonian Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 So, ...any news on the availability of the first batch ? September has practically been and gone. Rgds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 They are on their way! Unfortunately this project was delayed in order to improve the quality of the livery application and this was quite a time consuming process!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallaroonian Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 So they are imminent..... or Christmas..... ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 So they are imminent..... or Christmas..... ??? According to Hornby Magazine both batches are now due in December Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Is it known what the issue was with the livery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Is it known what the issue was with the livery? It was applied backwards!?! I'll get my coat... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 What? You mean the shells came out the mould painted and the machine took the paint off? Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Is it known what the issue was with the livery? The light green band was too shallow. The number print was also poor. Edit: replied to wrong post. Edited September 28, 2011 by Baby Deltic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) According to Hornby Magazine both batches are now due in December They are on their way, literally, as Brush Veteran pointed out. Edited September 28, 2011 by Baby Deltic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 This is one loco class that will never tempt me. Yes I know they were named because of their engine, but they had as much resemblance to a Deltic as a tin-can telephone had to a Mobile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Seems strange that a company capable of designing the Deltics and Class 20s should also come up with the 40s, 37s and Baby Deltics. Was it something to do with BR influence, or 2 separate design offices, I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I don't think English Electric intended them to resemble a smaller Deltic they where a design in there own right closer to the Cl 40's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Seems strange that a company capable of designing the Deltics and Class 20s should also come up with the 40s, 37s and Baby Deltics. Was it something to do with BR influence, or 2 separate design offices, I wonder? EE also had D. Napier under its belt. The class 20, 37 and 40 all used variants of EE's Vee form SVT power unit but none of them were in the type 2 power range, which EE wanted to build a contender for. The 8 SVT was heavy and didn't pack enough grunt to meet the type 2 requirements, whereas the Napier T9-29 nine cylinder Deltic engine had 1,100hp and the power unit only weighed around 11 tons. Had EE used an uprated 8SVT instead, the loco may well have turned out way too heavy. It appears that EE were lulled into a false sense of security by the relatively lightweight Deltic engine and miscalculated the total weight of all the other materials involved, meaning that the first Baby Deltics exceeded the maximum axle loadings stipulated by BR. EE had to then go about cutting out metal where possible and fitting lighter components to try and reduce the weight of the loco's by several tons to meet BR's requirements. It does seem rather a strange choice to fit such a complex power unit to a type 2 locomotive, but, then again, the larger prototype Deltic had proven that the Deltic engine could cope with rail traction usage. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 EE also had D. Napier under its belt. The class 20, 37 and 40 all used variants of EE's Vee form SVT power unit but none of them were in the type 2 power range, which EE wanted to build a contender for. The 8 SVT was heavy and didn't pack enough grunt to meet the type 2 requirements, whereas the Napier T9-29 nine cylinder Deltic engine had 1,100hp and the power unit only weighed around 11 tons. Had EE used an uprated 8SVT instead, the loco may well have turned out way too heavy. It appears that EE were lulled into a false sense of security by the relatively lightweight Deltic engine and miscalculated the total weight of all the other materials involved, meaning that the first Baby Deltics exceeded the maximum axle loadings stipulated by BR. EE had to then go about cutting out metal where possible and fitting lighter components to try and reduce the weight of the loco's by several tons to meet BR's requirements. It does seem rather a strange choice to fit such a complex power unit to a type 2 locomotive, but, then again, the larger prototype Deltic had proven that the Deltic engine could cope with rail traction usage. Sorry - it was really the appearance I was referring to, not the innards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I think the appearance goes back to the LMS prototypes 10000/1. The classic design with a nose and three front windows was probably the flavour of the period. The Deltic had a higher nose, plus with the export market in mind, it had a decidedly North American appearance akin to a US 'F' Unit, complete with headlight. The class 20, being a single cab 'hood' design, had its own unique styling anyway. Classes 23, 40, and the later class 37 seem to use a standard EE cab design. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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