RMweb Premium finelines Posted March 21, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2011 Does anybody want any of our OCAs? I could make some up without taking parts away from the planned OTA run. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Does anybody want any of our OCAs? I could make some up without taking parts away from the planned OTA run. Roger If Roger is reading this! Please contact Charlie Petty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted June 17, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2011 It has been confirmed to Charlie that I am not dead! Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 It has been confirmed to Charlie that I am not dead! That's good to hear Roger! Is there any developments on the N gauge kits at all? I picked up a couple of your Blue Spot fish vans last weekend and they're a lovely bit of moulding and having stumbled across an old list of yours there's all manner of goodies in there. Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted June 17, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2011 I have got to get back into production. I have had to wait 6 months to get professional help with my depression during which things got worse. Despite my illness I am an optimist (I think lots of depressives have one inside) and I have been making promises on the basis I'll get better next week. I will shortly be explaining a new reshuffle designed to de-stress me and give me more time to do my job as a carer. As you have read elsewhere I am planning to reintroduce the N gauge and I have 3 new models, two based on existing parts and one completely new. I have already mentioned the Plywood CCT and that is getting close to be ready for die cutting...... buut I have been cutting a die for myself and so far I've done it three times because I am not satisfied with the result. I am obviously not quite in the right frame of mind yet. I say yet because I still got the same thrill seeing the die growing in the brass. A question for you, Pix, why would you buy my kit when there's a ready to run one? There are other N gauge items in the further distance, but I've got to get through this crisis. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted June 17, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17, 2011 A question for you, Pix, why would you buy my kit when there's a ready to run one? I can't answer for Pixie, but for me there is definitely a pleasure in building kits as excellent as yours that you do not get from buying RTR. So there are two aspects: the quality of the kit and enjoyment of making it; and how the kit and RTR compare - in some cases the kits are superior to the RTR. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted June 17, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2011 Too modest to comment, I was not fishing for compliments. In the case of the fish van I am cross at myself because there were 2 diagrams of blue spots and I took a long time deciding to do this one. The other one had some GWR features, were narrower and had a higher roof. Even the underframe is different. If I had done that one I would have been different in N gauge and I could have recycled the data into 4mm for something that didn't clash with anybody else. Sailor V, whoever he is! Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted June 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2011 A question for you, Pix, why would you buy my kit when there's a ready to run one? Roger Hi Roger I can't answer for Pix either but I prefer building kits to just taking something out of the box and placing it on the layout. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Charon Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hi Roger I can't answer for Pix either but I prefer building kits to just taking something out of the box and placing it on the layout. Cheers Paul I can't decide whether I do or not, to be honest. I've not yet been in a position to have to choose. But yes, I do quite like building kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 A question for you, Pix, why would you buy my kit when there's a ready to run one? Roger Modelling in 2mm there is an etched chassis for your body. Its a bit like modelling P4 in 4mm, easier to build up part of a kit than chop up RTR sometimes though in some cases i've now etched the body as well! A model of the other type of Blue Spot van would have been nice though with Dapol/Parkside covering the later one in 4mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Roger, your kit for the OCA has noticeably thinner sides than the r-t-r Farish one, an obvious plus on an open wagon. If I need OCAs yours are the one's I'd get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Modelling in 2mm there is an etched chassis for your body. Are you sure, Craig? The OCAs have a different chassis to the earlier A.B. stock (OAA, VAA, etc.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Thanks for the reply Roger, I'm sure a lot of people will agree it's very good to see you've still got the drive despite the circumstances. A question for you, Pix, why would you buy my kit when there's a ready to run one? I think it gives the best result, by quite some distance. The Peco and Dapol bodies just don't capture the look of the real thing, both look very flat in the detail and the proportions certainly aren't as good. As for the chassis, there's very little competition - the Peco one is a work of fiction and the Dapol one had almost 2D looking solebars and brake blocks that look more like the W-iron's mutton-chop sideburns. There is the instant gratification of RTR stock which may appeal to some, but all three routes are just a means to an ends really but one leads to a much nicer place than the others. Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Are you sure, Craig? The OCAs have a different chassis to the earlier A.B. stock (OAA, VAA, etc.) It covers the whole schbang - VAA, VBA, VCA, VDA, OAA, OCA, SAA...! Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Are you sure, Craig? The OCAs have a different chassis to the earlier A.B. stock (OAA, VAA, etc.) I was talking about Blue Spot fish vans though looking at Pix's recent response I seem to have struck lucky anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 I have to add that I also really enjoy building kits, Your Kits/Anybodys kits. There is something about taking three ZCA's and building them slightly differently with help from online fotos. As has been said you can do it with RTR but it is better doing it from the bottom up. Probably something to do with taking most of us back to our Airfix Spitfire memories! I will be back into my stash of Chivers/C-Rail/TPM kits as soon as I get the use of my thumb back, after the scalpel slid off an FPA underframe and left me with a couple of stitches. Rgds Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted June 18, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2011 So, out of interest, what else would fit onto my OCA chassis that hasn't been done? Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 The 'other' OBA would - the two batches had slightly different bodywork. IIRC the ones converted for Plasmor were the 'other' type, so the Farish model is incorrect (though we're talking about different shape/postioned door bangers here). Have you done the OCA based 'Sea Urchin' ZKA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted June 18, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2011 No, the as yet unissued 4mm sea urchin is the VDA version. Although there is this myth that you can move between scales at the press of a button, it would be a complete new build in N. I will have to look at the OCA originals. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 No, the as yet unissued 4mm sea urchin is the VDA version. Although there is this myth that you can move between scales at the press of a button, it would be a complete new build in N. I will have to look at the OCA originals. Roger This is something that I've often wondered about. You see comments along the lines of "well, manufacturer x already does this in OO, so they could easily do it in N gauge": how much can you actually transfer to a different scale, though? The basic research, obviously, but as a design exercise is there much that simply translates across? Is this different for large manufacturers as compared to cottage industries? Jim (large stash of SSA body kits on hand, would definitely buy a BBA kit to experiment with conversion to a BSA) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted June 18, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2011 This is something that I've often wondered about. You see comments along the lines of "well, manufacturer x already does this in OO, so they could easily do it in N gauge": how much can you actually transfer to a different scale, though? The basic research, obviously, but as a design exercise is there much that simply translates across? Is this different for large manufacturers as compared to cottage industries? Jim (large stash of SSA body kits on hand, would definitely buy a BBA kit to experiment with conversion to a BSA) Hi Jim It depends how you produce your tools. The major manufacturers design their models in specialist computer programmes that, once the model shape is entered, can work out how it needs to be moulded to fit together, and then can guide the machining tools to produce the actual moulds. When rescaling a design the program can also take account of physical constraints in the materials - for example the thickness of components in N is not always half the size of OO because they may be too fragile. Smaller manufacturers can still use computer aided design programmes but not always with the same degree of automation and they may have to make allowance for material limitations manually. There is clearly a fair degree of skill in this. The "old fashioned" way - still used by some toolmakers - is to produce a large reverse of the component - often 8x size in perspex - and then they use that with a pantograph (metal frame) to manually guide the cutting tools and cut the metal. I am sure Roger can elaborate more on the techniques that he uses. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted June 18, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2011 Actually I think you have covered most bases, Ben. The only thing I can add is the company I had contact with in China specified a minimum detail size of .2mm, which is the minimum I can work to. It is also all an illusion, you can make things to the drawing and it looks wrong, but you give it a tweak and it looks right. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted June 18, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2011 Hi Roger, I (for one) would be very happy if you produced the same cahssis in N as you were working on the the OO Sea Urchin. This is one of the bigger gaps in the market. No one has this chassis available either RTR or Kit in N. Then there are loads of things that it would fit under! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 There are several different designs of Sea Urchins, depending on the origin of the chassis and, in some cases, the works where they were done, so the OCA one would be different to the VDA one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted June 18, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2011 There are several different designs of Sea Urchins, depending on the origin of the chassis and, in some cases, the works where they were done, so the OCA one would be different to the VDA one. Hi Bernard, Roger already said it was the ex VDA Sea Urchin he had been working on in OO. If that chassis was made available in N.... There are a lot of bodies that could go on it! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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