Guest stuartp Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I've no doubt that the answer is buried somewhere on here, and I'm suspecting it might have something to do with the last day of the Waverley, but at the risk of looking like a complete numpty why exactly is 5131 Legendary ? Ta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 I've no doubt that the answer is buried somewhere on here, and I'm suspecting it might have something to do with the last day of the Waverley, but at the risk of looking like a complete numpty why exactly is 5131 Legendary ? Ta. As I coined it I guess it's me that owes the answer B) For some considerable time in WR annals, a 'last day special' was much talked about, particularly in the standard works, yet no pictures ever seemed to come to light. On one occasion (after picking up on a question from Bruce '62440' McCartney) I had it down as a 64B BFYE Class 26 hauled special, elsewhere it was reported to be a double-headed Baby Sulzer extravaganza. But not until did these photos of D5131 emerge was the low-key (and altogether far more populist) truth rediscovered. Hence, because of that still-extant Headboard, created by the public the line was built to serve, and carried on a humble 2S52 diagram, D5131 is the Legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Aha. Thank you sir. That's presumably the working in post 16 ? One of the aforementioned skipload of Hornby tat finished up as D5131 in plain green with valences. It did sterling service making endless circuits of Kentigern's bare boards as the one and only EM loco I ever finished, so it's a bit special here too. It's due a refurbishment, I think it's time it had a little trip westwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 In the late 70's the "skinhead" Scottish baby Sulzers did a fair bit of highland action too.. Nick, I'll do a potted history of the 60A skinheads on here later for interest. They were truly the overlooked unsung Highland Baby Sulzers (BR version). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 Aha. Thank you sir. That's presumably the working in post 16 ? One of the aforementioned skipload of Hornby tat finished up as D5131 in plain green with valences. It did sterling service making endless circuits of Kentigern's bare boards as the one and only EM loco I ever finished, so it's a bit special here too. It's due a refurbishment, I think it's time it had a little trip westwards. Indeed it is the working in post 16: January 4th 1969, stomach-churningly close to the end. It's a blessed tease, Legend, because I've committed to doing her in GSYP but she obviously got the attention of the Highland paintbrush that autumn. I suppose that does mean I can't reprise the Last Day, which strikes me as wrong anyway, on many levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 When this thread started there was a mention of the lost main line through Glenfarg. Now I can't guarantee there's an HBS on the front of this train, but read the caption, then study the picture, re-read the caption, and yet again, see what we lost in 1970. http://www.flickr.com/photos/killie65/1591471845/in/photostream/ That's the only time I've seen a just before closure shot of the Cowdenbeath Direct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 1, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2011 D5124at Manchester Trafford Park ! Other pictures in the set are captioned "D5134?", so the number is suspect I would suggest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Some of the Flikr Photo's (from there Post TOPS identities) that escaped this morning....... 24116 (and 24123) at Donny. 24116 looking rather worse for wear. 24118 & 24119 again at Donny awaiting final destruction.......! 24118 Off the road at Fraserburgh Goods Yard 24121 at Inverness 24121 at Inverness 5124at Perth 24124 at Haymarket 24124 unknown 24126 at Doncaster 24126 unknown Mystery loco at the Broch Tablet Catcher! 24124 and 24126 'unknown' are probably both taken at Millerhill during their storage period, I'm guessing spring '77. Of all the Plant pictures, the phot of 24126 solo at Doncaster's especially poignant. Great finds! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 1, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hi Chard, Ref to - '24124 and 24126 'unknown' are probably both taken at Millerhill during their storage period, I'm guessing spring '77.' The FlickR page says Millerhill April 2 1977 in the caption and map section. Thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hi Chard, Ref to - '24124 and 24126 'unknown' are probably both taken at Millerhill during their storage period, I'm guessing spring '77.' The FlickR page says Millerhill April 2 1977 in the caption and map section. Thanks Cheers Phil. Off to amend them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 ... D5122, which would be destroyed four months later on September 9th at Castlecary. And which I am in the process of commemorating. Honourable mention here, in another connection Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Nick, I'll do a potted history of the 60A skinheads on here later for interest. They were truly the overlooked unsung Highland Baby Sulzers (BR version). Strictly speaking, the 60A locos of the D5114-D5132 series aren't "Skinheads" as they have roof mounted indicator boxes. The true "Skinheads" are D5000-D5113. Rgds, Ron. PS; - I've just uploaded shots of 24116 & 24119 in withdrawn condition to my Flickr Album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Strictly speaking, the 60A locos of the D5114-D5132 series aren't "Skinheads" as they have roof mounted indicator boxes. The true "Skinheads" are D5000-D5113. It's the non-headcode box 24s he's referring to Ron, not 5114-5132 Thanks for uploading the pics! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 It's the non-headcode box 24s he's referring to Ron, not 5114-5132 Thanks for uploading the pics! Ah - yes, you're right. It was that the whole of this thread, seemingly, was dedicated to the 5114-5132 series, I didn't see the reference to 5070 creep in, unannounced!! I know, I know.................................Should have gone to SpecSavers............................ Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 Honourable mention here, in another connection D5122 only ran with SYP for a maximum of 3 years! I recall the Aberfeldy HBS pic in question, good shout. Now, as promised, the overlooked specialist nano-genre that is the Highland (Exiled Skinhead) Baby Sulzer: 24102 IS 5/74 (from GD), stored Carlisle 10/75, to IS 11/75, Wdn 2/2/76, back to Carlisle 3/76, to Doncaster 14/2/78, cut 19/3/78 24103 IS 5/74 (from GD), stored Millerhill 10/75, reinstated HA 4/76, stored 7/76, to MH 8/76, PO 11/76, Wdn 1/12/76, to Doncaster 6/77, cut 7/77 24104 IS 5/74 (from GD), stored IS 8/75, to Carstairs 10/75, reinstated HA 4/76, stored MH 22/10/76, Wdn 31/12/76, to Doncaster 18/6/77, cut 9/77 24110 IS 5/75 (from HA), HA 10/75, stored MH 4/10/76, Wdn 1/12/76, to Doncaster 2/77, cut 4/77 24111 IS 12/74 (from ED), ED on loan 3/75, ED 6/75, HA 8/75, stored MH 14/10/75, HA 11/75, Wdn 2/2/76, Carlisle 3/76, to Doncaster 29/12/77, cut 2/78 24112 IS 2/74 (from ED), HA 11/75, stored MH 14/10/76, Wdn 31/12/76, to Doncaster 17/6/77, cut 10/77 5113 60A 4/72 (from 65A), ED 10/73, IS 2/74, HA 10/75, stored MH 14/10/76, Wdn 31/12/76, to Doncaster 17/6/77, cut 9/77 phew! Mops brow. Analysis of this bunch after breakfast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 ... D5122 at Perth MPD... Unfortunately I have to note another misident (though it's still one of the HBS) - that loco has a '4' as last digit so it's either '14 or '24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 Unfortunately I have to note another misident (though it's still one of the HBS) - that loco has a '4' as last digit so it's either '14 or '24 My take on that is that it is D5114, and there's a pairing-up underway, deploying the gangway doors. A process that by repute happened relatively infrequently, so a very rare capture indeed. Note also the staining from lubricants used on the tablet catcher apparatus, discolouring the solebar white stripe. While we're at Millerhill on April 2nd '77 with the sounds of punk ringing in our ears, here's a Highland Skinhead from the same collection: 24112 Wdn http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ and NOT relevant to the thread but nevertheless of interest, pre-TOPS 'block' style numerals on TOPS 24065 on the same date: http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ EDIT: note that the thoro'bred HBS is further characterised by the cut-off yellow beneath the nose, whereas the Skinhead has full depth yellow corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Unfortunately I have to note another misident (though it's still one of the HBS) - that loco has a '4' as last digit so it's either '14 or '24 Away an polish some turds! (trust you to find that one) 5114 it is! (see this supersize Vs superskinny shot) Thanks Ian...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 Strictly speaking, the 60A locos of the D5114-D5132 series aren't "Skinheads" as they have roof mounted indicator boxes. The true "Skinheads" are D5000-D5113. Rgds, Ron. PS; - I've just uploaded shots of 24116 & 24119 in withdrawn condition to my Flickr Album. Great work! Here's the link to 24116, as your caption says - unusual positioning of the TOPS number, but even more radical departure (possibly unique) for the double-arrow. The state of the loco here does kinda sum up the way the class was binned en masse in late '76, one assumes there was a BR edict to eliminate the 24 completely. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ron_h/5581794926/in/photostream/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Here are some more for you; http://www.flickr.com/photos/ron_h/4693992010/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ron_h/4693356433/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ron_h/5547057323/ I DID take a few more at Millerhill on 2/4/77, but mostly they were into the sun........and cramped........ But if you want 'em, I'll dig 'em out.... Rgds, Ron. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 LOL - you know you didn't have to ask that question, Ron Nice to see 24113 in that last link giving the lie to my earlier observation about the extent of yellow down the corners... In the Millerhill shots, the locos' condition really does give the impression of their being switched off as part of a planned class rundown. Seems a shame, they had only reached the half-life mark, but by then with the national decline in freight I suppose they would be the natural choice for next to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 In the Millerhill shots, the locos' condition really does give the impression of their being switched off as part of a planned class rundown. Seems a shame, they had only reached the half-life mark, but by then with the national decline in freight I suppose they would be the natural choice for next to go. They were never the most reliable loco's Chard - mostly down to the bodyside filters as opposed to the more reliable BRCWs with filters above cant rail level, causing BR much anguish in the early days. That coupled with the fact that they were inordinately draughty, I doubt many train crews missed them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 They were never the most reliable loco's Chard - mostly down to the bodyside filters as opposed to the more reliable BRCWs with filters above cant rail level, causing BR much anguish in the early days. That coupled with the fact that they were inordinately draughty, I doubt many train crews missed them. I put it all down to my vein of hopeless romanticism, Bob In my work life I see rolling stock in an entirely different way to looking back across three decades, I remember the mixed feelings I had crawling about the wrecks and salvageables at Wigan CRDC and Crewe DMD back in 2000, before lodging bids on 47484 and 47802. Seeing broken-backed 37107 and others, which as enthusiasts we had taken for granted, plus the new order like 37431 that I had never developed an equivalent attachment to, was strange to say the least. Certainly when we consigned the 87 fleet to the history books it didn't seem relevant to the pre-named brand new locos I'd underlined in my youth. Anyway, back to the Highlands and beyond (Haymarket, Millerhill and the Plant). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Great work! Here's the link to 24116, as your caption says - unusual positioning of the TOPS number, but even more radical departure (possibly unique) for the double-arrow. That number is about as central as it's possible to get Nice to see 24113 in that last link giving the lie to my earlier observation about the extent of yellow down the corners... Without surveying other shots, I would guess that was a St Rollox idiosyncracy rather than being connected to the type of headcode The state of the loco here does kinda sum up the way the class was binned en masse in late '76, one assumes there was a BR edict to eliminate the 24 completely.... In the Millerhill shots, the locos' condition really does give the impression of their being switched off as part of a planned class rundown. Seems a shame, they had only reached the half-life mark, but by then with the national decline in freight I suppose they would be the natural choice for next to go. As Bob suggests, their weaknesses had been identified by the National Traction Plan (although there must also have been some thinking at one time to eliminate the 1160hp engines, as the 26s were also once included for early withdrawal). By the time of the mass 24 withdrawals c1976, the freight scene was changing - higher capacity air braked wagons in longer trains, 56s on the horizon... I went on a '24 Farewell' tour in '77 which suggests that the few that lasted past that date were on borrowed time. That middle link of Ron's, 24129 with its patched headlight apertures, actually reminds me of my favourite interlude for the HBS, during the few months they worked off Haymarket having been exchanged for 26/0s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 3, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2011 Hi all, Thanks for the brilliant bit of detective work on the allocations! Saves me a whole load of time.... Now... Where did I stash the box with the CL24's and Brassmaster bits? Looks like I've found something to do at Rutherglen on the DEMU stand. Thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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