N15class Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I was going to make an order to C&L for me to bring back at Christmas but no sleepers, there must be a lot of layouts being built. Or some hoarding going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 I thought I would try out some of the new Dapol O gauge ballast whilst I'm waiting for my delivery from C&l which by the way will be with me Monday 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 Martyn 3 link has been working hard on the first points for RB. Following proper GWR practice. I'm very grateful for his input 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg Martyn 3 link has been working hard on the first points for RB. Following proper GWR practice. I'm very grateful for his input And before any eagle eyed reader spots it, the slab bracket is just put in place and it will be in the correct orientation before being glued down . Martyn. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 nice... and given the wait for supplies to arrive, a bit quick off the blocks too! I have only ever built track using Templot, copperclad and soldering iron, or Peco - I'm about to make a foray into C&L-land and would be grateful for confirmation of my shopping list for Reading; I'll make my own crossings and blades from plain rail, along with which I will buy the nice plastic fishplates, and the chairs. It's the chairs... I obviously need slide chairs, plain chairs and chairs for checkrails, and a few others - slab chairs can be paxolin and cut down standard chairs, but I'm not clear about quantities - and I know these vary from turnout to turnout. Estimate for one turnout - 48 standard two-hole chairs, 18 slide chairs, 12 bridge chairs 6 fishplate pairs That said, does this sound like a sensible list to build a bit less than 10 metres of plain track including 5 1:7 turnouts and 2 1:5 ones? Don't mind if I'm a bit out one way or the other, but would hate to get started and find I'm missing something vital 500 standard 2 hole chairs E7CH 102A 100 bridge chairs E7CH 201A 200 slide chairs E7CH 301A 144 fishplates E7XX FP01 plus 20m of rail. no sleepers as I'll cut my own - very thin, track rather "embedded" in the dirt. thoughts & advice very welcome thx Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Hi Simon, Hopefully I can give you some helpful info regarding the p/way, first of all like a loco build it depends on how much detail you want to add and just like locos there is quite a bit of regional differences especially in the chair design. The GWR for instance, you will find most of their chairs were 2 hole whereas the other regions chose 3 or 4 hole. Getting on to the amount you will require for a standard 1:7 turnout you are looking at 96 standard 2 hole chairs, the E7CH 201A bridge chairs are not compatible for the GWR being that they are 4 hole. If you need a smaller 2 hole chair I am afraid it's a case of trimming a standard chair down with a stanley knife, there is no other choice at present and most modellers I know follow this practice. As for the slide chairs you will need 16 per turnout and the E7CH 301A chairs are fine except the flatter part of the chair has 2 bolts instead of one, so if you want to be a sad s*d like me I also buy the standard slide chairs and replace the flatter one hole part by cutting them in half and join them under the rail out of sight. You will need 6 fish plates, I use 4 of the plastic ones for the normal gaps and 2 of the cast ones on the blade rails themselves. Regarding filing your vee's and point blades I have found the jigs supplied by the S7 stores a real help, but you can get by without them. HTH, Martyn. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Martyn thanks for this, I knew about the GW prediliction for 2-hole chairs, but the key (oops) point (oh, sorry) of confusion was the bridge chair. I am not planning to change all the slide chairs too.... yet, will amend shopping list accordingly! much appreciated Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I also use small pads of copper-clad pcb on four sleepers to support the common crossing on points. This technique allows a degree of wiggle room during construction, ensures the crossing is dead flat and provides electrical connection across the crossing. I finish off with sliced up cosmetic chairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 plus 20m of rail. no sleepers as I'll cut my own - very thin, track rather "embedded" in the dirt. thoughts & advice very welcome thx Simon I think that I'd up the amount of rail as that would only do 10M of plain track, but as it looks like your going to build approx. 7 points I'd say get about 30M of rail, or maybe a bit more. The off cuts can always be used for detail on the layout. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Ok, thanks to all. Steel or Nickel silver? (Again...) Exactions cake ( this said "Exactoscale" but I liked the correction:)) or C&L ? Thx Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 I'd go for nickel and the Exactoscale Chairs are a nicer moulding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 I built my crossing wingrail assemblies on this soldering the rail to bits of scrap etch which can be traimmed back either flush to the rail whan a half chair can be added or left with a piece sticking out to represent the chair base. The picture below show a 2mm one with chairs added ready to lay onto the timbers. A dab of epoxy will fix the crossing assembly down onto the timbers I then build the rest out from there. I find doing this I set the wing rails up correctly in the jig then when build the turnout I can tweak the ends of the rails slightly without disturbing the flangeways at the crossing. Don 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 The down main, freshly laid in flat bottom rail, I just need to rust the sides of the rails 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Steve There were some comments in the handmade track forum about using metal black on the rail - have you tried this? It seems to me that you could black the rail before fitting chairs etc (though probably not before assembly of point work as it inhibits solder) and the colour is supposed to be a pleasing dark brown when used on Nickel Silver. Sorry, I don't suppose this suggestion is well timed! Best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I find that soldering flux will rust steel quite convincingly. Guess how I know. Might be worth putting a little on the track sides and letting nature work her magic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dymstocklr Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Simon I blacken rail with metal blackener and paint them with Floquil 'rust' before putting the chairs on the rail. Sliding the chairs on the rail disturbs some of the paint and gives a nice uneven finish - and no nasty bright rail showing through of course! Unfortunately I don't think Floquil is available in this country any more which is a shame because it went on very thinly. Bill 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) The first full length stretch of track is now down wired up and tested. The dream is very much becoming a reality. Martyn is beavering away on the first points as well. We need some information on GW slab and bracket chairs as we are looking in to having them cast. If any one volunteers at a railway and could do some measurements that would be great Steve Edited November 13, 2014 by steve fay 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hi Steve There are photo's and a plan drawing for special chairs, on the Templot forum, they are in the Share and Show sub forum on page four at the bottom. Unable to post a link as I am using a tablet. HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 We need some information on GW slab and bracket chairs as we are looking in to having them cast. Hi Steve, You need this: from: http://gwsg.org.uk/GWSG_Publications.html Chair drawings on page 98. All the GW track info you could want. Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddlejumper Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 The first full length stretch of track is now down wired up and tested. The dream is very much becoming a reality. Martyn is beavering away on the first points as well. We need some information on GW slab and bracket chairs as we are looking in to having them cast. If any one volunteers at a railway and could do some measurements that would be great Steveimage.jpg Wow that track looks almost real........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Wow that track looks almost real........... Thats about all that's left of Barry docks I'm afraid . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hi Steve, You need this: from: http://gwsg.org.uk/GWSG_Publications.html Chair drawings on page 98. All the GW track info you could want. Martin. Hi Martin, Yes I have got that book and the only dimensions I can find is of an above view, I am hopefully going to have them 3D printed so I would probably need some more measurement of the chair I would think. Any advice or info would be much appreciated. ATB, Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Try here http://www.norgrove.me.uk/permanent_way_notes.htm regards Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 Yes I have got that book and the only dimensions I can find is of an above view, I am hopefully going to have them 3D printed so I would probably need some more measurement of the chair I would think. Any advice or info would be much appreciated. Hi Martyn, The slab is 1.7/8" thick, the same as the base of a chair casting. That scales to 25 thou in 4mm scale. See also: http://www.norgrove.me.uk/GWRtracknotes/R1734.pdf Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hi Martin, Keith, Thank you both so much for the info, the idea of having some produced might seem a bit over the top but in 7mm scale these chairs are quite noticeable to the eye. The guy who will hopefully manufacture them for me will also be putting them on the market just in case anyone else is interested, and depending on costs to follow maybe the smaller 2 hole L1 chair . ATB, Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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