forest2807 Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 I believe I may have supplied you the resin bogie but I can't really remember! Cheers Shane Yes, I think you did Shane! I'll maybe get around to fitting them one day.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 ISTR there was a series of articles on building the lower 8-series in RM in the early 80s by a chap called Bob Holmes. There was one article in the January 1986 Modeller on scratchbuilding a class 81. My little 10 year old self eagerly awaited the next instalment and it never came. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Or if you really want a challenge, there was also an article some years ago on converting a Hymek (in this case the "Blue Flyer") to an AL1... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Into an AL3. IIRC it used modified cowboys for the drivers! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Yes (that's what mine is made from), but it might be worth waiting a couple of months before cutting anything up, just in case... Why? I wont be getting vast amounts of money anytime soon & if I can build something out of cheap(-ish) Hornby bits, I will Without bombing the thread too much, here is an 84 that has been converted from a Hornby class 86 body: Does it look like an 84...? Probably, although I think the general shape could be better. All you're really using from the original body are the cab windows, compared to making those from scratch everything else is relatively straightforward. I'd be guessing if I worked out it's component value, but at today's prices it's probably about £20, and that's being over generous with the ancillary bits. The costing for the time involved to build it would be many times that figure. New "Weveneverhaditsogood" RTR releases can benefit those on a budget, as some modellers choose to abandon unfinished projects (look out for AppleGreen resin class 84 bodies soon), although don't forget this can be a false economy once other factors such as the cost of a decent chassis and your own time are added in. Into an AL3. IIRC it used modified cowboys for the drivers! They weren't as bad as the 86/0's or more recently the class 70's, but sometimes you'd have to be a Rodeo Rider to hang on to a bouncing Roarer... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_long Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Andy, always good to see your ACs. I'd not heard of Apple green before, having looked at their site are they as good as they look? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Andy, always good to see your ACs. I'd not heard of Apple green before, having looked at their site are they as good as they look? Regards There not too bad, if your prepared to put in a fair bit of work. This is my 84, which I have still not finished since this pic was taken, in 2007. There may be a sudden urgency to finish it soon though! 84002-09 by Shane Wilton, on Flickr cheers Shane 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_long Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 You've made a good model there Shane. Once I've got a lot of other projects out the way I might try one out. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I'd echo Shane's comments, I've seen a couple up close but have never worked with one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forest2807 Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share Posted February 10, 2013 Come on Shane, I'll race you! Can I finish my 83 before you finish your 84? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Ooh a modelling race. Ok your on! Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Ooh a modelling race. Ok your on! Cheers Shane Can I join in...? the recent ETL announcement was the final straw and prompted me into dumping a load of unfinished projects, but seeing a video from the weekend of 86101 and 87002 alive at Carlisle has spurned me into tackling something that is both Electric and Blue..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forest2807 Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yeah, join in! The more the merrier. In a vain attempt to edge closer to completing the 83 I tried putting Modelmaster transfers on pre-cut out and sprayed plastic pieces today to represent the grilles in the bodyside. I knew that 83's had one of the grilles turned round 90 degrees during the course of their working lives, so without double checking and relying solely on memory I ploughed in. And yes, you've guessed it, I got the wrong grille. 2-3 hours work today and I'm back at the stage that I was at this morning. Class 83 bodyside grilles, attempt 2, coming your way soon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hancockshire Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Can I join in...? the recent ETL announcement was the final straw and prompted me into dumping a load of unfinished projects, but seeing a video from the weekend of 86101 and 87002 alive at Carlisle has spurned me into tackling something that is both Electric and Blue..... I took a picture of 87002 for a college photography project As a result, I passed my photography class with flying colours Going back on topic (ish), do AppleGreen have a website at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/applegreenengines/ac-electric.html Also on eBay, seller's ID is lennyapplegreen. No connection, not even a customer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hancockshire Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I thought they did kits? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_long Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 That might be an old site try here http://www.applegreenengines.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thanks for posting that link Dave. I'd been looking for that site for ages and couldn't for the life of me find it. I dunno if the electrics are still in production but as soon as funds allow, I'm going to try and order a class 83 and bogies for a future conversion project. Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I ordered one yesterday too see if its been improved since I bought one of the last ones back in 2006. The mould was looking tired then and recall Jamie from Apple Green was making a new master. I wonder if this is one of the new batch. We shall find out shortly! Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Keep us all posted as soon as you have your new model Shane. Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I now have the 83 body and to be frank its a bit of a dissapointment. Full marks to Apple Green engine for making the effort though. Main issue is the lack of detail and the cab shape. While lack of detail makes it easier in some respects the the quality of the detail thats there is a problem. The original model that I have, which originates from L&J Models had some of the roof detail moulded on and raised frames around the grilles and windows. The new one has neither and very shallow relief grilles. It looks like a Hornby 86 has been used as the cab doors are a giveaway, but thats no bad thing either. Problem with the cabs is the roof shape and the size of the windscreens, which are to tall. Headcode panel is to small as well. All in all I would struggle to make this into a fair representation of an 83 and think I will persevere with my other version. I cant see any merit in combining the best features of the two bodies. I will take some pics in a day or two and post them up. Looks like my alternative plan may be worth persuing........ cheers Shane 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forest2807 Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 While lack of detail makes it easier in some respects the the quality of the detail thats there is a problem. The original model that I have, which originates from L&J Models had some of the roof detail moulded on and raised frames around the grilles and windows. The new one has neither and very shallow relief grilles. It looks like a Hornby 86 has been used as the cab doors are a giveaway, but thats no bad thing either. Problem with the cabs is the roof shape and the size of the windscreens, which are to tall. Headcode panel is to small as well. This also sums up my opinion on the Class 84 body that I bought from the same place. Best treated as base for what would essentially be a scratchbuild. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted March 6, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 6, 2013 Just get the plasticard out, it's not that difficult. In best 'Blue Peter' style "Here's one I made earlier" http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=16268 Andi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Did you ever do any more to it Andi? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 This also sums up my opinion on the Class 84 body that I bought from the same place. Best treated as base for what would essentially be a scratchbuild. This was the basis for my 84, which still does not look right, its more like a class 84 a-like. cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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