RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 13, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2011 Good to see that they are trying - but the headlight saga is a farce. The lights fitted are of the most recent version http://www.flickr.com/photos/44685654@N06/5485954054/ Slightly earlier pic with a mix of rectangular and round http://www.flickr.com/photos/cheekymonkey56/5717645793/ And even earlier with all round lights on the top only http://www.flickr.com/photos/rob50037/2803951900/ The details at the other end are painted on - grey and orange boxes http://www.flickr.com/photos/rob50037/2830476651/ At least they give the location to stick bits on.................... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The lights fitted are of the most recent version http://www.flickr.co...N06/5485954054/ That's an impressive lighting array, even by American standards. I'm guessing all this would only be used during track laying of other such work? You could engage in some neat nighttime photographic activites with a model loco like this, fitted with five bright surface mount LEDS, you could really illuminate the model landscape! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 13, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2011 That's an impressive lighting array, even by American standards. I'm guessing all this would only be used during track laying of other such work? You could engage in some neat nighttime photographic activites with a model loco like this, fitted with five bright surface mount LEDS, you could really illuminate the model landscape! 31233 is often used with the Structure Gauging Train and only comes out to play at night............ RTOV 9708 is usually at the other end - it has a similar setup. When 233 carried the round floodlights, they were usually only fitted when working the SGT, although I have pics of it working the SGT without the lights carried and the mounting brackets really did stand out. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Hornbys rendition of 31233 looks good, shame theyve still missed out the headlight though, and the additional lighting should be grey to match the roof, and the oddly yellow coloured ETH recepticle: http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?sid=35868 NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 you could renumber it to 31602 im buy 2 maybe 3 not sure, 31233/285 and 602, all have or had lights fitted! just hope there are more coachig stock coming out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike tugsandsheds Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I went to Arcadia today to collect my Bachmann FNA's and also picked one of these up. I've emailed Hornby re the missing Headlights, hopefully I'll get a positive response ?? Will post pictures once Headlights are rectified and it's detailed and weathered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 My Network Rail slow coming together! The new Hornby Network Rail class 31 233! The real 233 is having the geny overhaul at the mo, ive got 233 in BR colour and now NWR colours! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 18, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2011 you could renumber it to 31602 im buy 2 maybe 3 not sure, 31233/285 and 602, all have or had lights fitted! just hope there are more coachig stock coming out Hi Rory, 285 and 602 do not have the extended (upturned) fan cowling. http://www.flickr.com/photos/28514828@N02/6046326649/ It can be removed and changed for an original though. Cheers, Mick Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Hi Rory, 285 and 602 do not have the extended (upturned) fan cowling. http://www.flickr.co...N02/6046326649/ It can be removed and changed for an original though. Cheers, Mick Cheers, Mick i can have abit of modeling licence mick, just looked on olivias trains website class 150 95001! £358! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Anyone else noticed that the lights are different on these class 31s. The ones that come with the model seem to be a diffrent spec to some that have been used on the other class 31 with large circle lights being used and often seen on photographs. Makes me think that not all class 31s have carried the light set up that comes with the model.... Crikey, this is almost rivit counter territory! In any case, Hornby should be applauded for doing any lights at all. It would have been more than fantastic that the lights also worked, via a setting on DCC but the fact that they are there is reason to celebrate. Indeed, it shows that Hornby are trying to get engines right, despite the debacle with the missing headlight, which in this case is now just unfortunate. I was merely just expecting a class 31 in yellow, without the extra details or embellishments. Hornby should be extremely pleased that these details have been included for this model, but also that it adds that extra detail for which Hornby can aspire to equal in the future. However, 31465 would be a model that could merely be renumbered if anyone wanted a second.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 18, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2011 Anyone else noticed that the lights are different on these class 31s. The ones that come with the model seem to be a diffrent spec to some that have been used on the other class 31 with large circle lights being used and often seen on photographs. Makes me think that not all class 31s have carried the light set up that comes with the model.... Crikey, this is almost rivit counter territory! Hi David - see post#26 for more details. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Yeah but been looking and seen that the renumbered class 31s the other person was asking about have also had mixed headlights or had different ones fitted at different times. Does 602 still have round ones now, as a kind of stand by SGT loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike tugsandsheds Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Just spoke to Hornby Customer Care, following up my email It's not a "Known" problem and they'll get back to me if spares are to be issued. I'm off to Shawplan..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 19, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yeah but been looking and seen that the renumbered class 31s the other person was asking about have also had mixed headlights or had different ones fitted at different times. Does 602 still have round ones now, as a kind of stand by SGT loco? 31233/285/602 are the "regular" SGT locos, . As only one is now used on the SGT, it's usually one of those. When it was top 'n' tailed, then almost any of the NR (and other available) 31 fleet were used. Note that the lights are fitted at ONE end only. I haven't looked for pics of 285/602 recently and don't know where they're up to with type of headlight. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike tugsandsheds Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Just spoke to Hornby Customer Care, following up my email It's not a "Known" problem and they'll get back to me if spares are to be issued. I'm off to Shawplan..... Shawplan out of stock of the Replica High Intensity, so have purchased directly from Replica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 the problem with the light is that the americans dont do them anymore thats why you have have these infra-red back ones mick. 99550 will be looking vry different! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven156 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Mines arrived from Hattons today, mixed bag. Well finished model with no blemishes on the paintwork. Out of the box it ran sweetly on Dynamis with a Bachmann chip and after about half an hour it became really squeaky. Lubricated the wheel spindles and the worm as per the instructions it was still squeaky. Oiled the fan mechanism parts and the squeaks were gone and back to lovely smooth quiet running. Maybe worth checking before you commit to detailing, weathering etc. Have conveniently got a set of Replica Railways square headlights spare, will be fitting those probably when I chip it for DCC sound! I got my superb Hornby Fragonset Class 31 out to run beside it, hard to believe when I got that one a couple of years ago I baulked at paying £79.23 from Macs Models in Helensburgh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike tugsandsheds Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Mines arrived from Hattons today, mixed bag. Well finished model with no blemishes on the paintwork. Out of the box it ran sweetly on Dynamis with a Bachmann chip and after about half an hour it became really squeaky. Lubricated the wheel spindles and the worm as per the instructions it was still squeaky. Oiled the fan mechanism parts and the squeaks were gone and back to lovely smooth quiet running. Maybe worth checking before you commit to detailing, weathering etc. Have conveniently got a set of Replica Railways square headlights spare, will be fitting those probably when I chip it for DCC sound! I got my superb Hornby Fragonset Class 31 out to run beside it, hard to believe when I got that one a couple of years ago I baulked at paying £79.23 from Macs Models in Helensburgh I know, however £105 is equivalent to what my Brother-in-law spends over a weekend on booze so I can easily justify it. I too will put mine alongside the Fragonset one once it's detailed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed-farms Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Just spoke to Hornby Customer Care, following up my email It's not a "Known" problem and they'll get back to me if spares are to be issued. I'm off to Shawplan..... As Hornby have admitted it is a problem with the Regional Railways model but not the Network Rail version yet you could just say you have the Regi model to get the headlights from Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Hornby will soon admit the problem is repeated when everyone starts talking about it missing, or contact them asking for more headlights! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike tugsandsheds Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 As Hornby have admitted it is a problem with the Regional Railways model but not the Network Rail version yet you could just say you have the Regi model to get the headlights from Hornby. Hey Presto Dear Mike, Thank you for your email. I have been speaking with Hornby Marketing and the Engineering department. The lighting surround should have been with the model. We have placed an order for this spare, which will be pre-sprayed yellow. We hope to receive these within the next couple of months. Once we receive the lighting surround I will be happy to send this spare out to you, which can be attached to the model with glue. If you feel that you will not be able to attach the spare with ease please send your locomotive to us and we will do the procedure for you. If you would like to attach the surround yourself please confirm your address and once we have received the spare I will get this sent out. Kind Regards, Sophie Dye Customer Care Hornby Hobbies Ltd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Well Ive been doing some homework.... and have checked out the following. 31233 does have the lights fitted as they have been delivered from Hornby As does 31285, but this 31 does not have the roof clowling over the fan that 233 does so is not brilliant to renumber. Pics of this 31 can be seen here when it visited Bishop Auckland with the SGT.: http://www.blackhatrailwaypictures.co.uk/p58390450 Meanwhile, 31602, also doesnt have the roof clowling over the fan, but as of even April this year, was still fitted with the circle lights for when working with the test train. A link (to a Mr Tom Curtis' website where I found a pic that helped is here: http://tomcurtisrailgallery.weebly.com/references.html and towards the end of the page. Lastly, 31465, does not work the test train, but it does have a roof clowling. So renumbering that and not fitting the headlights would mean you could have a second yellow 31 for a test train. These roof lights could then be used to add to a DBSO model you might want to make in the future. Then youd have an accurate SGT if you wanted to fork out for all of that. Alternatively, you could use 31465 or another class 31, especially the Fragonset 31 which Hornby have modelled some years previously. It does however make me think that Hornby are missing a trick. This 31 would have been better modelled as 31285, without the roof clowling and with lights. You could then model 31602 using exactly the same model and fittings but only need to renumber it - a relatively simple task. They did the same by making the Fragonset 31452 model with the side headlight, when most Fragonset 31s had the headlight in the lower area as depicted on these models. This would have meant that 31128, 31468, 31601, 31602 would all have been possible renumbers to do, and surely given most 31s run in pairs, more models would have been sold far quicker as a small yet reasonable percentage of modellers would have bought the pair. Thankfully, Hornby have not done this with the Regional machine, as from 31439, 31410 could be done easily... is this potential sales that Hornby are missing out on, or is it too much of me thinking people would have bought both? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Gotta give Hornby credit for offering a solution for the missing headlight, lets hope for future releases with the centrally mounted headlight, Hornby get it right first time round.. NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven156 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I decided to go ahead and put Replica Railways Square headlights onto my 31233 tonight. I drilled a hole in the middle of the moulded light to allow the LED to shine through and then put one of the little plastic clear lenses thar Replica supplied onto the top of the light. Looks good, but I forgot, the Replica Railways headlights are moulded in yellow plastic and it therefore becomes translucent when the loco lights are turned on! Note to others after drilling the hole paint the inside of it black and then paint the headlight in yellow! doh!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Yep.... Ive now got glow in the dark headlights on a class 31 too.... got to get that changed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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