frisby Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Does anybody make/have made a 4mm version of these? Reason. My father had a KR200 as a company car upgrading to an Isetta in the late 50s. Both painted in sky blue and purple company colours (TC Stewart of Bury St.Edmunds I seem to remember). This was upgraded to a Ford Thames (Anglia - shaped) Van! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_KR200 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isetta#BMW_Isetta_250 http://www.fordanglia105eownersclub.co.uk/history/anglia-van/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 27, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2011 Do I recall that the Messerschmitt had no reverse gear - so if you parked it nose on in the garage, too close to the wall, you'd never get out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frisby Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Do I recall that the Messerschmitt had no reverse gear - so if you parked it nose on in the garage, too close to the wall, you'd never get out? Not sure with the KR200 but some Isttas definitely did not - joys of motorbike engines and gearboxes!.. However in the Messerscmiit you opened the canopy aand got out of the side. The Isetta's front opening door however..................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 27, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2011 Not sure with the KR200 but some Isttas definitely did not - joys of motorbike engines and gearboxes!.. However in the Messerscmiit you opened the canopy aand got out of the side. The Isetta's front opening door however..................... Quite right, of course - wrong model. I think in the Messerschmitt you actually sat astride like a motor-cycle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I think 'Cararama' did the Isetta but it may be 1:72 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofanenvelope Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I remember being taken for a ride in the KR200 when I was about 3 and the noise and smoke... sitting on my Dads lap.. remember the canopy opening feature and handlebars like motorbike.. and the sky Blue.. wow that was a long time ago Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Full-size KR200 now worth a small fortune Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 27, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2011 I think 'Cararama' did the Isetta but it may be 1:72 Actually it was nearer 1/70 scale. However Micromachines produced a model of one very close to 1/76 scale that was also more accurately shaped ( the Cararama model is too tall). The downside of it is that it is solid plastic with painted on windows and probably difficult to find. Micromachines motorcycles are also very near to 1/76 scale as well (as well as being easier to find). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I am fairly sure that either Busch or Wiking did an HO Messerschmidt. Not all BMW/Isettas were 3 wheelers either. One of my primary school teachers had a pale yellow one with a pair of rear wheels about 1 ft apart-I don't know why and it certainly can't have helped the stability much. Ed PS I think the KR200 was the 4 wheel Messerschmidt, they certainly made one and that is the expensive one now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I think the four wheel version was the FMR Tg500. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 .....PS I think the KR200 was the 4 wheel Messerschmidt... It had three wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted October 27, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2011 I have a Schuko Junior Line Isetta which I think is 1:72 (and a 4 wheeler with the close together rear wheels). Pretty little thing, two tone blue / white with sun roof and luggage rack - and the emphasis on little... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 27, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2011 I have a Schuko Junior Line Isetta which I think is 1:72 (and a 4 wheeler with the close together rear wheels). Pretty little thing, two tone blue / white with sun roof and luggage rack - and the emphasis on little... Thats the same model as Cararama. I wonder if Oxford can be persuaded to produce a few 'micro-cars'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 The Messerschmitt didn't have a reverse gear as such, but an arrangement whereby you stopped the engine, and started it up again backwards. This gave the brave and foolish as many gears backwards as they did forwards...... For a brief time I ran a Berkeley T60 - a late '50's 3-wheeler (two at the front, one at the back) which DID have a proper reverse gear. The front of it looked like a miniature E-type Jag, and the back end looked like a boat. Powered by a 329cc Excelsior Talisman engine . Great fun, but the wheels had a tendency to fall off...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frisby Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 For a brief time I ran a Berkeley T60 - a late '50's 3-wheeler (two at the front, one at the back) which DID have a proper reverse gear. The front of it looked like a miniature E-type Jag, and the back end looked like a boat. Powered by a 329cc Excelsior Talisman engine . Great fun, but the wheels had a tendency to fall off...... Do I remember a four-wheel version as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Yes, and some of those had a Royal Enfield 4 stroke engine-750cc IIRC. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Were they really built around left-over cockpit canopies from the German aircraft industry..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 It was always said, but no, I don't believe they were - they just look as if they should have been..... ( I stand to be corrected though!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 A mate of mine had one of those Berkeleys and he fitted a Mini engine in it. It wasn't slow... The idea of the two close together wheels was some legal wheeze if I remember correctly. If the wheels were less than a certain distance apart, it still counted for tax and licence purposes as a three wheeler. There was most definitely a 'proper' 4 wheel Messersschmitt 'microcar'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMR_Tg500 (as mentioned by Pete) steve steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 A mate of mine had one of those Berkeleys and he fitted a Mini engine in it. It wasn't slow... The idea of the two close together wheels was some legal wheeze if I remember correctly. If the wheels were less than a certain distance apart, it still counted for tax and licence purposes as a three wheeler. There was most definitely a 'proper' 4 wheel Messersschmitt 'microcar'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMR_Tg500 (as mentioned by Pete) steve steve ..... That mini conversion would go like the clappers.... It only weighed about 8cwt...! Absolutely - the trick about two 'close' rear wheels only counted as one for tax and insurance. At one stage I has three Berkekeys, but only one was a runner... I sold one for restoration, and my Dad threw the other one (a hard top) away, as it had sat behind the Church for too many years, and nothing was going to happen with it! A tradgedy now, but I still don't have any where to put it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2011 The Isetta for the UK markets only had 3 wheels. They tried to get the ones with two closely spaced rear wheels classed as a 3 wheeler but the authorities would have none of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Bub Models has recently made a very nice HO (1/87) Isetta. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adanapress Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 My late mother in law turned her Isetta over more than once! (she was a large lady) Happy days ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crompton 33 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 year's ago i had a bmw isetta in red. i turned that over. only needed a motor bike licence to drive them. as long as you blocked off the reverse gear as i did (not) good fun to drive, what about the bond bug for a model. all the one's i have seen have been in orange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I vaguely remember a sketch in one of Michael Bentine's TV shows with a Messerschmitt bubble car fitted with machine guns shooting up the BBC Television Centre. Doesn't seem to be on Youtube, unfortunately. I think Dick Emery was driving it, and do I imagine Luftwaffe camouflage paint and black crosses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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