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Hi Alan, great to see you making progress with something new!

 

I suspected you'd stay with N, rather than go 00. Looks like you've been building in secret for a while....

 

There MUST be someone who'd love to take the old layout off your hands? Mention it in the Asylum and see what reaction you get.

 

Jeff

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Thanks for the reply Alan.

 

It'll be a shame to see the layout broken up, but I understand if you need the space.

 

God luck with the new layout!

 

Branchie.

Thanks - The new layout is progressing well but it'll be well into next year before it's finished. Not only will it have to be finished but it will also have to be just as much fun to operate before S&C 79-83 is scrapped. Although it's "sort of" portable the boards are too big for it to be stored in the house. 

There has been some discussion with a friend about the possibility of cutting the layout to create smaller boards and taking it exhibitions! S&C 70-83 on tour - very unlikely.

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Hi Alan, great to see you making progress with something new!

 

I suspected you'd stay with N, rather than go 00. Looks like you've been building in secret for a while....

 

There MUST be someone who'd love to take the old layout off your hands? Mention it in the Asylum and see what reaction you get.

 

Jeff

Hello Jeff

Yes - N gauge won in the end.

The boards under the new layout were the same ones for Sunderland South Stabling Point but even with that layout extended there wasn't enough space for OO. I didn't want a train to appear from the fiddle yard, and less that 10 seconds later reach the buffers at the other end of the layout... and the longest siding at only 3ft 6" just looked wrong.

For the past 2 years I've been spoilt watching full lenght (N gauge) trains running through acres of scenery.

As I mentioned, the old layout will be around for at least another year. I will keep the Asylum in mind when I give some more thought as to it's possible fate.

 

Alan

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Hi Alan,

Sorry to hear the 00 didn't work for you, but it's good to see more pics of your Settle and Carlisle layout. 

 

Best of luck with the new build too.

 

Cheers Peter. 

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Hi Alan,

Sorry to hear the 00 didn't work for you, but it's good to see more pics of your Settle and Carlisle layout. 

 

Best of luck with the new build too.

 

Cheers Peter. 

Hi Peter

Thanks for your reply...sorry I haven't been around much on the site over the last few months... life's been full of a lot of non railway stuff to sort out.

I have, however, been keeping in touch with your work on Llanbourne...and was sorry to hear about your own family crisis with your wifes health problems. It's good to know that she is now recovering so please pass on my regards.

 

The new layout is well underway and I will start a new topic before too long. Although it's N gauge, it's still going to be 1980-90 so all of our favourite stuff from 31s to 56s.

 

Tonight, I've also taken the oportunity to add a final post for Sunderland South to conclude the brief history of the layout.

 

Regards

Alan

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Been following this thread recently and enjoyed the pictures and build.  Have to admit, tempted to do something similar by buying the Cumbrian Mountain Express set as I travelled behind "Duchess of Hamilton" in 1983.  Terrific layout, shame it got dismantled.

 

Julian Sprott

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Been following this thread recently and enjoyed the pictures and build.  Have to admit, tempted to do something similar by buying the Cumbrian Mountain Express set as I travelled behind "Duchess of Hamilton" in 1983.  Terrific layout, shame it got dismantled.

 

Julian Sprott

Hi jools1959

The layout is still alive and kicking.... there's was a mention of it's eventuall demise once the new layout is up and running but for now I'm still having plenty of fun with it. Only a couple of sidings in the fiddle yard have been removed so that the track and points can be recovered and used on the new project to keep costs down.

 

Alan

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Time for a quick catch up with whats been happening

... and a few photos. Apologies if I've posted them before.

 

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45015 Kingmoor-Toton

 

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40060 Ribblehead-Hunslet ballast prepares to depart south

 

The layout had been neglected while I've been working on the new one but it saw occasional use towards the end of 2015. It also provided a useful test track for all the new N Gauge locos I've been buying. There was also an ongoing discussion with a friend about the possibility of turning it into an exhibition layout but it would need some serious rebuilding to make it easier to move... so for now it remains trapped in the attic.

 

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470xx Glasgow-Nottingham This service is now hauled by the layouts first ETH loco, 47403.  

 

Another reason I stopped playing trains was the decision to remove 2 fiddle yard roads so the points could be used on the new layout, to save money. This meant the full S&C 1979-80 morning timetable couldn't be run, and as a result everything felt unbalanced, and the layout became a lot less satisfying to run. Eventually new points were bought, the roads were relayed and the axed freight service restored.

 

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One of the briefly axed services. 47xxx Kingmoor-Willesden

 

Overall 2015 turned out to be an expensive year having finally made the decision to stick with N Gauge. Despite selling the majority of my 00 and picking up some good N Gauge bargains, it was still a shock to see how much I'd spent on locos and stock. The layout has lost two locos, a Class 40 and a 45, which have transfered from the S&C to the new Calder Valley layout where they've joined an expanded fleet of 31s, 37s and 56s. 

 

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45xxx Kingmoor-Toton.

 

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40143 on it's regular run with a Healey Mills-Kingmoor freight.

 

For a while, during 2015, I was planning for a couple of upheavals in life, in the not too distant future, which meant there was a rush to get the new layout built and running at the expense of S&C 79-83. However, life is now, once again, more settled - with plenty of time to build the new layout while continuing to enjoy running old one.

 

Regards

Alan

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Agree with all the comments on here about this layout. Glad to hear it's safe from the scrapyard - it is far too well made to suffer that fate.

 

One of these days I must pop up to the Hexham area and see it for myself! Yes, I'm a cheeky sod!

 

Hope you're still making progress with the new project.

 

Jeff

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Good evening folks..

Many thanks for the comments... I recognised everyone from past posts/comments and was supprised that the layout hadn't been long since forgotten...

Given it's position in the attic and the poor lighting conditions, especially at this time of year, it's always been difficult to find new angles from which to take photographs so I do worry that the views might get a bit repetative and boring.

However, I've solved one problem... I've started a new folder of new photos, so no chance of repeat posts. 

 

I've had an enjoyable afternoon running trains...now I've got two layouts to play with!! Working through the 79-80 time table on this layout and running test trains on the new one.

... and taking more photos.

 

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Bescot-Kingmoor now in the hands of a Class 40 after years of Peak haulage and with a new, as yet unweathered, rake of cement wagons.

 

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Having run round its train, 40060 waits for 47403 to depart with the Glasgow-Nottingham.

 

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With the 47 gone, the Class 40 crosses onto the up line and departs south. 060 remains incharge of the ballast working as it's still the best Class 40 runner I have. 

 

 

 

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Loco exchange trials..

Hi Peter and Jeff... In answer to your questions - yes, there is progress and there will be a new topic featuring the new layout... soon-ish. After a quick start progress has now slowed, as I  now have plenty of to complete it and enjoy the build.

One lesson I have learnt since joining this site is that I found it impossible to post almost daily on a layouts progress. I realised this while trying to build Sunderland South. For me it was lot of extra pressure, so I have great respect for the people on here who do this. I've taken plenty of photograhs since construction began and so the new topic will only slowly catch up with the work that is currently underway.

 

Loco exchanges... a Peak  and a Class 40 have been transfered onto Clader Valley services, while the Settle Carlisle sees some unusual motive power.

 

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The Class 45 stands in the cement terminal having arrived with a short Speedlink trip working.

 

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The Class 40 on a Heaton - Red Bank empty vans.

 

Meanwhile on the Settle Carlisle...

 

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56056 calls at the box on a running in turn.

 

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37506 on another running in turn. This loco will eventually be working the Lackenby - Blackburn metals train. Hopefully I'll be able to afford a 2nd member of this sub-class. I was always a big fan of the Thornaby 35/5s

 

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31135 being put to work on a short engineers train. The livery is slightly too late for the new layout so I picked up a couple of spare bodies for this loco. It will most likely end up in plain R/F grey.

 

Cheers

Alan

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wow!!!  Redbank vans!!!  That is a real blast from the past, how I remember that and most often turned up as a 40 too.

 

Alan, thanks once again for posting and your new layout looks superb, very reminiscent of the Calder valley.

 

Cheers

Lee

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Wow!!!  Redbank vans!!!  That is a real blast from the past, how I remember that and most often turned up as a 40 too.

 

Alan, thanks once again for posting and your new layout looks superb, very reminiscent of the Calder valley.

 

Cheers

Lee

Thanks HM

I'll try and start a new topic for the new layout in the next couple of weeks.

The scenery is still looking very rough and unfinished.... with all the buldings and bridges on the layout, I've given myself at least another two years work before it will look finished.

Now I,ve got my usual problem of thinking of a name for it... so for now it'll have to be "Calder Valley 1980-90" !

 

Cheers

Alan

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It's been a busy modelling Easter with work on both layouts, mostly kit building and weathering.

On the S&C most work involved putting together a cement train to replace the Warrington-Kingmoor service which has been gradually loosing it's traffic to the new layout.

 

Having slowly accumulated a rake of 12 presflows I spent over 2 hours weathering them.

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...then started work on a pack of 6 N gauge society ex Long Meg anhydrite wagons I was lucky enough to find second hand a few years ago.

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Having sold off ££££ of OO kits which remained unbuilt after many years, I've taken the decision with N gauge - if I buy something - I run it!... so it was definitely time to get these wagons built and running...

 

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The cement train grows longer...!

 

The aim is to reproduce a working featured in Flinders Settle-Carlisle book showing a similar rake of wagons, a mix of mostly presflows with what looks like a few ex anhydrite wagons and some slightly larger but similar hoppers. They ran 1976-78, so slightly early for the layout, and I have no idea what the working was. By 1979 it was all presfows and there's no mention of any block trains by 1979-80 in my working timetable.

 

Cheers

Alan

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Stop press.... Coaching stock finally weathered...

 

...and so it's been another weekend of weathering with a couple of non railway modelling jobs to break the monotony.

This has been a mammoth weathering session going back to the Easter weekend.

 

Other projects completed include a spare Class 31 body repainted from Regional Railways into BR blue.

 

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Changing times - 1983. 31415 Leeds-Carlisle, unweathered and missing it's distinctive orange eth jumper cable connection.

 

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Heavily weathered and re-numbered 187 on the other side!

 

Class 108 repairs - Bought to run a DalesRail service, this was the only time I got my fingers burnt on ebay. A seller who didn't know the differebce between "used" and "used and abused" The power car had been damaged in a botched attampt to fit a DCC chip. It arrived with the body forced onto the chassis the wrong way round and some windows marked with plastic glue.

The repairs can't replace the lost Farish detail but it's better than nothing!

 

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...and finally - 15 coaches weathered. It's four years since I started putting together the two rakes that run on the layout and I've finally got them weathered.

 

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The secret of n gauge weatering - make it subtle... very subtle. Not sure if you can spot the difference in this shot?

 

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Probably the most heavily weathered is the Mk1 restaurant which runs with the Glasgow-Nottingham service.

 

Alan

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