cornish trains jez Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Good evening everyone! I am currently building an n scale layout based on Par station in Cornwall during the 80's. Does anyone have any photos? I have found quite a few photos of class 50's but not many of the HST's. Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I really must re-scan these photos: http://www.kalyr.com/weblog/2000/01/01/par-photo-gallery/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I have found quite a few photos of class 50's but not many of the HST's. Best regards, Jeremy I'm not clear why HST's need to be in the pictures, unless you want photographic evidence of HST running numbers? Have you seen the large size photos of Par(taken 1986-89) on this site http://freepages.nos...eritage/par.htm ? It's also good for Lostwithiel, Newquay and other areas of Cornwall in the mid/later1980's and good for confirming locos/liveries at that time - largely HST free though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I was on a Cornish rover in 1985 and there seemed to be more (proper) services operated with loco and coaches. In 1988 on an all line rover got a train from PZ to Plymouth with a pair of 50's - one was removed at Plym just as the traction bashers there decided to get on! You will have ample options for using 08 BZ had a few 37's on clays look for BZ examples 45, 46 on XC services, very late 80's replaced by HST's 47, 50 on many main trains I don't seem to recall many HST's when I was in the area in the 80's but I could be wrong..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 There were quite a few HST turns during the 80's. I think we tend to air-brush them from memory as there were so many loco hauled trains around. I have some Par and St Blazey pictures on my smug mug site craigmunday.smugmug.com - but few HST shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-CRS Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Interesting topic as I am modelling Camborne in N in the same time span. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I was doing some cataloguing yesterday and realise I have a HST shot taken from the bridge looking up line. Also I may have one or two HSTs taken at St Austell or Bodmin Road dating from 1980-85. I have some gardening to do (before it rains), will try to scan some in later, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomJ Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Theres loads of pictures to be found in the Middleton Press books on the Newquay Branch and most of the John Vaughan books - especially ,The Newquay Branch, and its ,Branches and Branches' and Byways of Cornwall. Also try this website www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/sets/72157626990059642/ Its from a set marked Western region photos and is a fuil album of Par. It says Par in the 90s but aside from the trains running I think the place was pretty much the same. Some great shots of the buildings from all angles. I've often fantasised about such a similar layout myself.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 There were quite a few HST turns during the 80's. I think we tend to air-brush them from memory as there were so many loco hauled trains around. Too true. With only 36 (or 24) exposures on a film I rationed my shots, only 'using' a HST or DMU if I wanted a shot of, say, a signal gantry, and needed a train to provide extra interest and nothing more interesting was expected. I have had a look at a WTT for Oct 1982 - May 1983, these are the following UP HSTs at Par Mon-Fri. 06.28 Pz-Padd 08.27 Pz-Padd 09.35 Pz-Padd 10.20 Pz-Newc 15.00 Pz-Padd 16.25 Pz-Padd cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Here we go with HSTs then. I have found more than I expected, 1 from 80, 3 from 82, 1 from 83. Set 253009 forms the 10.10 Penzance - Paddington, 43018 trailing. 16/7/80. Set 253006 with power car 43013 leading on a Paddington - Penzance service. 21/4/82. Set 253019 on the up Cornish Riviera with power car 43120 leading. 21/4/82. And the Cornish Riviera departing Par. 21/4/82. And the shot I had just catalogued yesterday:- Set 253046 HST departs Par, my notes say it was 11,22 this means it was probably 1E95 10.20 Penzance - Newcastle, 7/11/83. I have quite a few more, but not HSTs, various views/angles but mostly DMUs, 37s, 47s, & 50s. If you were after anything specific I can have another look. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted November 11, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2011 50 50 or phone a friend? You said you had 50's but you didn't say if you had doubleheaded! Here's one I posted in the CJM N gauge 50 topic...I will try and dig out some others... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 All I can say to this thread is Now if anyone has a picture to post of St Blazey Bridge Level Crossing in the 80s Ill personally kiss em !! Steady now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 While I have the album out, here are a couple more. My notes say this is the Penzance - Leeds with 50006 (brakes seized) and 50016. 21/4/82 A short train suitable for a limited space layout. 37142 working a trip from St.Blazey to (I think) St. Austell formed of 1 MCV and 1 MDV of coal. 21/4/82. Set P469 ready to depart on the 15.15 sevice to Newquay, 12/6/82. cheers PS, sorry Mickey, I don't seem to have been to St. Blazey Bridge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Super stuff, especially 37142 on a few mineral wagons. Here's some of mine: A hybrid class 108 at Par in 1990 BR Blue at Par Feb snow in 1986 and the twins race by with loaded clay hoods. 37181 at Par 50011 during a blizzard at Par in 1986 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Here we go with HSTs then. I have found more than I expected, 1 from 80, 3 from 82, 1 from 83. Set 253009 forms the 10.10 Penzance - Paddington, 43018 trailing. 16/7/80. Set 253006 with power car 43013 leading on a Paddington - Penzance service. 21/4/82. Set 253019 on the up Cornish Riviera with power car 43120 leading. 21/4/82. And the Cornish Riviera departing Par. 21/4/82. And the shot I had just catalogued yesterday:- Set 253046 HST departs Par, my notes say it was 11,22 this means it was probably 1E95 10.20 Penzance - Newcastle, 7/11/83. I have quite a few more, but not HSTs, various views/angles but mostly DMUs, 37s, 47s, & 50s. If you were after anything specific I can have another look. cheers Hello, Thank you very much for your photos! It is nice to see some of the running numbers which will enable me to produce some authentic HST's which actually ran on the line. Also good to see how these weathered in their first years of service on the Western region. If you have any more pictures please post them as i need as many as possible, not just for re creating the trains on this line but also all the buildings. I visited Par last summer and took a large quantity of pictures of the structures albeit painted in different colours. Also the station lamps have been replaced. Many thanks again for all your help. Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Good evening everyone, I have been overwhelmed by all your help, keep the info coming!!! Many thanks and it looks like this topic has interested many people! I will post some pictures of my layout, not much progress over the last few months, but all the track is down and i have almost finished all the wiring. Do i post the layout details here or in a different section of the website. I'm new to all this and appreciate all your help. BcnPete, love your Coombe junction layout and have been following the blog! I've just lowered my first Farish 37!!!! Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Super stuff, especially 37142 on a few mineral wagons. Here's some of mine: A hybrid class 108 at Par in 1990 BR Blue at Par Feb snow in 1986 and the twins race by with loaded clay hoods. 37181 at Par 50011 during a blizzard at Par in 1986 Hi Craig, Love your pictures. Is the 108 a two car unit plus an extra 108 car??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted November 12, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2011 Now if anyone has a picture to post of St Blazey Bridge Level Crossing in the 80s Ill personally kiss em !! PS, sorry Mickey, I don't seem to have been to St. Blazey Bridge! Phew...that was a lucky escape... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted November 12, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2011 Do i post the layout details here or in a different section of the website. I'm new to all this and appreciate all your help. BcnPete, love your Coombe junction layout and have been following the blog! I've just lowered my first Farish 37!!!! Jeremy, hi Why not set up a blog/topic for your layout and we keep this thread for prototypical photos etc... Thanks for your interest in my layout...just remember to check your clearances on the 37 bogies as otherwise it will only like straight runs of track! Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Hi the train in question was typical of the time. Whatever cars were servicable were chucked out as a "set". We had NSE and chocolate & cream in a pair, the 108's were patched together with Metro-Cammel cars (as seen in my picture) and the bubble cars and class 117s could be matched to anything. Perhaps we could start a thread about DMU formations and keep this clear for Par! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 If you have any more pictures please post them as i need as many as possible, not just for re creating the trains on this line but also all the buildings. Many thanks again for all your help. Best regards, Jeremy Hi Jeremy looking back through my pictures, there are none specifically of buildings but here are a variety of train workings. First from 1980. Set P126 (55026) has strengthened the 10.10 service from Newquay, it will now be detached at Par, 16/7/80. Set C593 arrives at Par on the 12.35 from Newquay, Set P126 is stabled in the distance. 16/7/80. Now moving forward to 1982. 50009 heading 3S15 12.10 Penzance to Glasgow, 21/4/82. 37299 on a down freight working, 21/4/82. Now to 1983 50044 heading 07.50 Bristol - Penzance, I think this was usually about a 4 coach set with additional vans, 7/11/83. 47515 on a down service, 7/11/83. 50047 on an up passenger service, probably a Penzance - Plymouth local working, 47258 is in the loop platform, 7/11/83. Happy days cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg06003 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Some lovely pictures on this thread - such variety and a very model-worthy station to boot. From my one and only visit in July 1984- mid 14 day National RailRover, emerging dishevelled and bleary eyed. 50011 arrives with down express Class 118 on Newquay branch duties. The signal box 43127 leads the up 'Cornish Riviera' 45 143 arrives with the 08.53 Penzance to Newcastle Happy days indeed. Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Great photos and memories, thanks for posting those gents.... incredible to think that all this was nearly three decades ago. I spent a lot of time in the South West in 1982 / 83, quite a 'classic' period in many ways with plenty of loco hauled goodies to enjoy in good old banger blue livery. I recall seeing the six refurbished / plain blue 50s all knocking about in Cornwall for much of the period before they went into large logo livery. Back then, especially during the night, it still felt like the 'old railway' with certain trains being split or shunted about with longish layovers at various stations. The only thing missings were the milk tanks which finished a couple of years before.... happy days indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Ahh if only it were still like it today............. ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 Love all the photos! Really wish i was down in Cornwall during the 80's to experience it but i was only very young back then and living in the East Midlands!! Keep the great photos coming!!!!!! Does anyone know when the sleepers were changed to concrete at Par? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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