Camden Shed

[Jason T]

It looks absolutely lovely; I am sure there are many of us who have 'Layout Envy'

[92220]

Thanks Jason....in your case it definitely goes two ways. And no, I didn't mean it like that......!

 

Iain

[Gravy Train]

Hi Ian,

so glad I found your thread, may I congratulate you on achieving some excellent results with your modelling and if I'm not mistaken 'first efforts'

A fantastic subject matter and no doub't an extremely busy place and will make for some intresting operating sessions, did you manage in the end to get hold of LNWR Portrayed?

There is at least one other chap doing Camden bank who's name I will leave out for the moment, I think he is in P4 or EM gauge, you may find a link through the Scalefour society.

keep up the good work and I will be looking in with interest.

cheers

 

Peter A L

[92220]

Hi Peter,

 

Many thanks, praise indeed from a master! I genuinely appreciate your kind words.

 

First efforts, yes, but with a lot of tutorial and inspiration from many on here, yourself included, even if you didn't know up to now.

I've not got LNWR Portrayed yet: still looking.

 

I did have the privilege of seeing Camden Bank last summer. It is an exceptional piece of work in progress, the main section between Granby Terrace and Gloucester Gate being especially impressive. Mr W has been exceptionally helpful to me.

 

Operation will hopefully hold the interest. If I ever get that far..... There will be a variety of passenger services both into and out of Euston. From predominantly mk1 class A stock on major services to and from the north, through plenty of Stanier pd III stock, non-corridor stock on suburban services, mixed rakes and so on. I will need to use various rakes several times to represent these, otherwise I'll need a 200 road fiddle yard and a lot more money. Also plenty of ecs moves by 2-6-4 tank towards Willesden carriage sidings to the north, with the train engine banking in reverse on the rear then peeling off to the shed. A good deal of movement in the shed area. Locos come on in reverse under the footbridge, pass the shed on the loco road to the NW side onto the turntable. Then reverse down under the coaler, drop the fire in the ashpits, water at one of various points and sit wherever there is space facing NE ready to reverse back down to Euston to take another train. Any loco going north with a train will be turned via loco lift in the fiddle yard and won't return too quickly! Plus 0-6-0 tanks moving coal and ash wagons around. Don't think I will mechanise either the ash or coal lifting gear......a step or more too far for me. That's the prototype as far as I can take it. I could then put third and fourth rail onto the two slow lines and have some Watford DC lines emu workings. I could also stretch truth a little and include some freight going south of Camden, which was very rare.

 

Thanks for the interest.

 

Iain

[The Stationmaster]

Thanks Philbax. I am wiring it so that it can go DCC (soon), but the plan was always to keep a more traditional operation of the turnouts. Hence, I think I'm going to go with the simplest solution in my mind which was suggested by Keith, and means that I just need to set the route correctly. I could adapt it later to a module like the one you suggest, but I think I would only do that if I go entirely DCC and use frog juicers etc.

 

Thanks for your interest.

 

A little more progress. What do people think of this view?

 

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The Gilbey warehouse needs blending into the other board, which Alan is going to do in situ in the next week or two. It isn't easy to make this join work. But so far, it is a very decent representation of the real thing.

 

On another note, this pic courtesy of 53A models on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/7149637505/

 

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Shows the end of the siding off the coal wagon road, which was often used for loco storage.

 

Can anyone help with the buffer stop, or lack of one? It looks as if there is a miniature one. On another view that I can't post, there is a definite rail crosspiece, but maybe only 12" above the rail head.

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

 

Iain

 

Edited as I pressed post before I'd finished!

 

The warehouse view looks great Iain.

 

There definitely appear to be wheelstops behind the tender of the Princess Coronation - basically more or less triangular shaped castings (but with rounded a rounded angle on the top and, usually, a curve in the face the wheel might contact) bolted to the inside edge of the rail and about as much use as a chocolate teapot when it comes to at stopping the average loco.

[92220]

Thanks very much Mike. I have some very clear views of that type of stop around the turntable. This one appears to have some kind of crosspiece too - is that possible or an illusion?

 

These look like the guard irons would strike the stop before the wheels. I guess that's not the case.

 

Iain

[The Stationmaster]

Thanks very much Mike. I have some very clear views of that type of stop around the turntable. This one appears to have some kind of crosspiece too - is that possible or an illusion?

 

These look like the guard irons would strike the stop before the wheels. I guess that's not the case.

 

Iain

It could well be braced Iain although I've never seen any like that (not on the Western that is ).  Usual p[ractice with all teh ones I've seen, including those inset in shed floors (on and off the Western) is to have them on the inside edge - so the guard iron will thus miss them.

[trustytrev]

Hello,

        

I've not got LNWR Portrayed yet: still looking.

 

You may be able to borrow it from your local library,I did.

trustytrev.

[92220]

Good point trustytrev. That's how I located a couple of other books come to think of it...

 

I've been pondering the stop we've been discussing.

 

This pic:

 

 

which is just blown up from the previous one, seems to show the remnants of an older, normal sized stop?

Or am I mistaken?

 

Iain

[JeffP]

It does to me.

 

Maybe damaged, and they decided to use the extra room?

[The Stationmaster]

Good point trustytrev. That's how I located a couple of other books come to think of it...

 

I've been pondering the stop we've been discussing.

 

This pic:

 

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which is just blown up from the previous one, seems to show the remnants of an older, normal sized stop?

Or am I mistaken?

 

Iain

 

Looks like you might be right Ian - that is not any sort of wheelstop I've ever seen (but it is the LMR  ).  Jeff might be right or it might have been deliberately done to lengthen the siding?

[92220]

Thanks Jeff and Mike, I'll see what I can make.

 

Bit of a stand back and take stock moment. I'm now 2 years into the project. The shed was built in mid December 2011, and the first job was to insulate and line it.

 

Current state of play is that I've completed almost all the track on the south end of the yard area, to add to the 4 mainlines and the fiddle yard which were already done. I've fully wired and tested it all, and it all works ok. A couple of slightly tight spots mainly attributable to b2b discrepancies on the test locos, but overall I'm pleased with it. It's all been painted and mostly has been ash ballasted, just a bit to go.

 

So I only have the machine shop, the N end of the yard plus the turntable to do.

 

 

 

 

 

I've started putting some rakes of stock together. Left to right there is:

 

1. Random rake of mk1s that need b2b checks, couplings and weathering. Not to mention filling with people. Trouble is, I need rakes to represent trains in both up and down directions, plus ecs moves to and from Willesden carriage sidings. So I haven't made a decision on that yet.

 

2. Complete 12 coach rake of mk1 class A stock. Roughly prototypical, with 1st class at the Euston buffer end, catering facilities in the middle and 2nd class at the north end. These have been checked, wheels cleaned and weathered according to the Tim Shackleton methods. They are coupled using the Bachmann close coupling pipes. It's the only rake I'll do that with, and I may change it to the Tony Wright method anyway. They run well, a 9F can pull them easily, but an unmodified pacific struggles.

 

3. 5 Hornby Staniers. These are straight from the box and need adding to, plus all the jobs mentioned in 1. above. They may well be mixed in with mk1 stock in particular rakes. I'll need some more, some Porthole coaches, and to do some more via Comet kits no doubt.

 

4. The start of a parcels rake. 2 mk1 BGs - one Bachmann and one Replica with flush glazing and detail added, plus a Bachmann Thompson BG. I have a Comet mk1 BG and a Stanier pd III BG to add, These all have the TW coupling mechanism which seems to work really well. They've been Kleared but not yet weathered.

 

There are a lot of permutations of stock for top expresses and secondary services to do in due course. But I'm in no rush. It will just be nice to run a few trains.

 

But there is a LOT of space to fill in the FY!

 

 

Iain

[92220]

Spent a few hours on the three turnouts and two diamonds with all their associated checkrailing.

 

In progress 1:

 

 

And in progress 2:

 

 

And as a Merry Christmas to all followers of Camden Shed, here is a glimpse of what I hope I'm on way way to achieving, given that most of these need a lot of detailing, renumbering and weathering. One of them even needs painting......

 

Apologies for the picture quality, which seems to diminish as I resize and compress them. I'll try to do better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In no particular order......

 

No lamps yet. I'm a good way off that stage. And any loco in the S end of the yard would have a good load of coal on......

It's a Sunday with a special excursion on the down fast out of Euston headed by 92220 Evening Star, an up express coasting down the bank with 46256 Sir William A. Stanier F.R.S. in charge, and a full yard.

70008 (picked up slightly damaged and unboxed for £35!) will be renumbered and renamed to 70033 or another, with this tender and these deflectors, which was a regular.

92056 - seen many times so far as a test loco. Single chimney BR1C.

73139 - Caprotti Standard 5. Needs a new number.

44781 - Black 5. Will be renumbered and repainted, or possibly just rebodied and this body sold. I did this one from the Brassmasters detailing kit before I knew much about what I was doing. There weren't any unlined Black 5's in 60-62.

70049 - will probably remain as is but may become 70047 or 70048. Needs a late crest on the tender, and a new loco-tender connection, as the Hornby one is so annoying.

46146 - The Rifle Brigade. There are two of these - will probably renumber and rename both, although I could get away with most Scots here. Brassmasters treatment awaits too.

Fairburn tank - as yet unnumbered. There are a couple of possibilities.

44687 - HRP Caprotti Black 5 built from a Hornby donor, an old Crownline conversion kit, a Comet part welded Ivatt tender and a bit of scratchbuilding. Needs weathering.

An old Replica/Bachmann Standard 4mt, which has been detailed and weathered, and miraculously still runs. I have a few Hornby bits and pieces to make a better one. I've a couple of nice pics of standard 4's on stopping trains to Bletchley.

92020 - rebuilt Crosti, made from a railroad chassis and half a faulty Golden Arrow body mated to the other half of a damaged Hornby body. I have a pic of 92020 at Bletchley in 1962 so it is only completely fanciful to include this, rather than being a total fabrication......

92116 - earmarked as a donor loco to make a much better 92020.

92249 - I have two of these and need neither........!

46248 City of Leeds - seen before here, and needs weathering. It needs a new set of valve gear first: this set will not function properly.

46239 City of Chester - as yet unmodified but will probably keep its identity and get the same treatment as 46248 eventually. Hopefully without messing up the valve gear.....

47458 - An old Hornby Jinty, used to practise detailing and weathering. It won't last, and it doesn't work, as the brake gear I applied doesn't clear the rods. It will be replaced. Eventually I should have a couple of Jinties, mainly for moving coal and ash wagons around the yard.

44741 - LRP Caprotti Black 5, seen under construction this summer. Single chimney and lacking roller bearings. I haven't done the tender yet so this is mated to an incorrect Hornby early crest welded tender.

71000 - DoG. A primitive effort that will be consigned to a display cabinet in due course and replaced by a detailed and weathered Hornby one.

 

There are the bits for 3 Rebuilt Scots/Patriots, one Brit, two Black 5's, one Coronation, one Standard 5 and a Standard 4 ready to be built in due course.

 

Thanks for all the advice, support and encouragement, without which I would be struggling a lot more than I am.

 

Wishing all of you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

 

Iain

 

Edited for spelling....

Edited December 24, 2013 by 92220

[Jol Wilkinson]

Iain,

 

where are the Jumbos, Teutonics, Jubilees, etc.? 

 

It's pretty much as it would have been when we travelled down from Rugby on a saturday excursions, pity I didn't take much notice. The excitement of arriving at Euston was probably too much.

 

Happy Christmas.

 

Jol

Edited December 24, 2013 by LNWRmodeller

[CUTLER2579]

This is top notch modelling. Very Impressive. Merry Xmas.

[Froxfield2012]

I am really looking forward to progress in 2014!   But for now Happy Christmas and a small picture to encourage you to work on 70033.  Not really properly edited for blemishes I'm afraid.

 

Richard

 

[The Stationmaster]

Merry Christmas Iain and I'm sure we can look forward to even greater progress in 2014 judging by your pace of work so far.

[Grimleygrid]

Very nice layout with some seriously top notch modelling. The buildings and scenic work really are first class.

 

Look forward to seeing more progress in 2014.

[Jamiel]

Hi Iain

"92020 - rebuilt Crosti, made from a railroad chassis and half a faulty Golden Arrow body mated to the other half of a damaged Hornby body. I have a pic of 92020 at Bletchley in 1962 so it is only completely fanciful to include this, rather than being a total fabrication......
92116 - earmarked as a donor loco to make a much better 92020."

Did you know that Hornby have a Crosti 9F in their Railroad announced releases for the coming year (on when ever they get around to it), it might be a good basis for some detailing work, see:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79822-2014-Hornby-announcements/

It might offer a reprieve for 92116 too.

Lovely to see all the stock on the layout.

Happy new year, and happy modelling>

Jamie

 

 

 

 

[JeffP]

Not my scale, not my region, but I always look in, great model.

[92220]

Thanks to Jeff, Mike, Grimleygrid, Cutler2579, Richard and Jol for their kind words and encouragement.

 

Richard - wonderful picture as ever, of 70033 ascending the bank. If that is without enhancement, it speaks volumes for the quality of the photography originally.

 

Hi Iain

"92020 - rebuilt Crosti, made from a railroad chassis and half a faulty Golden Arrow body mated to the other half of a damaged Hornby body. I have a pic of 92020 at Bletchley in 1962 so it is only completely fanciful to include this, rather than being a total fabrication......

92116 - earmarked as a donor loco to make a much better 92020."

Did you know that Hornby have a Crosti 9F in their Railroad announced releases for the coming year (on when ever they get around to it), it might be a good basis for some detailing work, see:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79822-2014-Hornby-announcements/

It might offer a reprieve for 92116 too.

Lovely to see all the stock on the layout.

Happy new year, and happy modelling>

Jamie

Hi Jamie,

Yes, I did clock that. To be honest the Bachmann chassis and cab area are so far ahead of the Hornby version that I'm likely to use at least these parts. Having said that, the new Railroad Crosti cab and front spectacles do look considerably better than the old 9F. The side chimney and manifold on those pre-production pics look exceptionally good, so if I were doing an original Crosti, I would definitely use those. The key bit is that the main boiler barrel (the only one on the rebuilt version, obviously) is a smaller diameter than the standard 9F, and sits a little higher. Hence the chimney is very squat and contributes considerably to the look of these. The Crownline conversion kit (I actually have one of each, rebuilt and original Crosti) doesn't quite cut it as it uses the standard boiler, firebox and smokebox. So I'm leaning towards an amalgamation of the Bachmann chassis, running plate and cab, with a Railroad firebox, boiler and smokebox. This won't be the cheapest way to do it, but it will probably be the most accurate available to me.

 

Either way, this is a fairly low priority so I will wait a while and see what the Hornby one looks like. There is a lot else to do before that.

 

Happy New year to you, and all RMwebbers.

 

Iain

[Jamiel]

I must admit that at some point I might be tempted by the DJH Crosti 9F, but building such a complex loco from brass is a few years away from me as yet..

It will be interesting to see when the Hornby Crosti 9F comes out, what people do to detail it. I suspect that many will watch your progress though.

Good luck.

[philbax]

Hi, sorry might have missed it but what is the basis of the turntable?

Fantastic so far, I want to do the same in p4 but am trying to regoiate the space

[92220]

Hi Phil,

 

Thank you. The turntable begins as a Peco item, but will be modified in several ways. It's a long way from being perfect, but the Metalsmith Cowans and Sheldon 70' turntable isn't available yet, and I need to make a compromise here. I'll post a bit of progress later I hope - as it happens, I have only this morning started work on the turntable.

 

Camden in P4? Wow, I wish you well with the negotiations on space: it will be a great pleasure to watch your progress, if you can keep us updated. I've made several compromises in terms of space and trackwork complexity on the mainlines, not to mention losing the 3rd and 4th rail on the slow lines, and a huge amount of the goods station. An perfect project for me would be the whole area from Regents Park Road bridge to the Goods Depot footbridge - as I have done here - but to scale. I'd thought about it in EM, as I think I might eventually be able to cope with the tolerances, but never allowed myself to dream of doing it in P4.

 

Best wishes,

 

Iain

[BMacdermott]

Hello Iain

 

I don’t write often as I can’t really add much to your work – but think you are doing a fabulous job! As I think I said in an earlier posting, Camden holds a special place in my memory as I went there so often during my spotting days of the late 50s/early 60s.

 

I have a few moments of cine film taken sometime early 60s which I will try some way to copy for you (in due course). In the meantime, I stumbled across the photo below, which I don’t think has been mentioned on this thread.

 

All the best!

 

Brian

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/5957789982/in/photostream/