Guest 2750 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I'm sure going back to pressing a couple of buttons to set your paths was quite therapeutic Gilbert. Lovely seeing you again yesterday. Here is something that will give some of you a chuckle. Graeme's epic 4-8-2 'CITY OF LINCOLN' moves on to Grantham's 70ft turntable, and you can see Jonathan's delight getting her to almost fit (with one hell of an overhang!) 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I'm sure going back to pressing a couple of buttons to set your paths was quite therapeutic Gilbert. Lovely seeing you again yesterday. Here is something that will give some of you a chuckle. Graeme's epic 4-8-2 'CITY OF LINCOLN' moves on to Grantham's 70ft turntable, and you can see Jonathan's delight getting her to almost fit (with one hell of an overhang!) IMG_5243.jpg Was that a design planned by the LNER that was never built? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 It was. The build is documented on Graeme's thread over on the LNER forum. I'd say I was pleased, turning a 72' loco on a 70' turntable. It was supposed to fit according to the GA, I was told. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted September 2, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2013 It was. The build is documented on Graeme's thread over on the LNER forum. I'd say I was pleased, turning a 72' loco on a 70' turntable. It was supposed to fit according to the GA, I was told. Grinning like a big kid with a new toy... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2750 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) Grinning like a big kid with a new toy... That was nothing Paul...You should have seen him when his two sentinels were hauling 50 wagons around the layout! Like a kid in a sweet shop! Speaking of which those cakes by Mrs W were superb! Edited September 2, 2013 by 2750 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 You should have seen him when his two sentinels were hauling 50 wagons around the layout! Pix to follow in due course.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I cannot say much more than - excellent, excellent, excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 You will need a 90' foot Turntable if Graeme's (or is it Graham's) keeps bringing his 4-8-2. Marvellous stuff. like all the photos. Must think about booking a flight to the UK just for the trains. In 2011 I saw Gresley Beat and Gainsborough, but so much more. Save Save and Save. Maybe in a few years time. Mark in OZ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Must add my own thanks to 4479 for the invitation, the welcome, and the operating lesson on Sunday, and to all those with decent cameras who saved me having to make my own photographic efforts. I'd have added my remarks last night, but after two and a half hours drive home, unpacking holdiday luggage, then drinks/snacks/showers it seemed a good idea to just enjoy a lttle more quiet "quality time" before turning in for the night in readiness for work this morning. A thoroughly enjoyable Sunday after a nice week in the Dales, including jolly good scones in Aysgarth and the Weallans' excellent hospitality on Saturday. I'll be back......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) To continue the report from yesterday... Once the magnificent P1 had put in an appearance, we lapsed into 'play' mode With Jonathan having stock for every occasion, an additional 20 coal wagons was 'no problem' and the 2-8-2 then had 50 wagons on the drawbar. Somewhat to the surprise of all present she proved incapable of shifting them on her own. To put it slightly into context, some of the wagons added were whitemetal kits, somewhat heavier than my RTR plastic ones. The only solution was the rather attractive option of a J72 pushing at the back and this combination successfully lapped round; you could clearly see where along the train the couplings went slack and hence which loco was doing what. Several other motive power solutions were then tried, this one being two Sentinel locos of Jonathan's which gave great delight to their owner as they coped with the train quite competently. The watching C12 station pilot was beginning to get restless... Knowing that the C12 had hauled a 24 wagon fish train round its builder's Little Bytham layout, I thought 'why not'? With couplings slacked she took the strain... and away she went, strutting round the layout with scarcely a trace of a slip. You can see from this picture how the length of train (48 wagons at this point) has created a 180deg drag but it seemed of little consequence. Very impressive and all credit to Tony Wright, her builder (who has been advised and is 'chuffed to bits'!) Several other locos had a go but for ultimate pulling power (and just to prove that nothing is sacred on the layout) 3000hp of General Motors diesel loco (courtesy of Mrs 4479!) was the runaway 'winner'. The driver was told to slow down for fear of setting off the HABD's! Meanwhile, I had been tipped off that some locos from a different era would be visiting so I went rummaging around for a suitable rake of stock for them... 60113 'Great Northern' (I understand that this was actually a Grantham allocated loco for several years in the 1950's) 60503 'Lord President' 60512 'Steady Aim'. All of these I understand to be ingenious adaptions of RTR locos by Graeme King; all I know is that all three ran impeccably (and that I need to learn how to use photoshop ) Finally, I have absolutely no idea what this is!! Perhaps its builder can explain? For all of the above, Rule No.1 applies. And why not? Edited September 2, 2013 by LNER4479 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 [pedant mode] It was a J71, actually - the J72 couldn't keep up[/pedant mode]. Shame we didn't photograph the J70 giving it a shove as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
61070 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Hello Robert, Very nice to see that the 'South Box' has appeared on the layout. And the Bulleid? 1948 loco exchanges I expect (though it looks lie a WC/BB rather than MN Belgian Marine, which I think had an LMR tender with a scoop). Peter Wilkinson, who was at our event on 24/7, remembers this: http://returntograntham.wordpress.com/loco-department-staff/peter-wilkinson/ (near the end). I enjoyed your Movietone / British Pathe filming from the air too. Did airships ever overfly Grantham in the '30s? You could do something quite special with all that airspace!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Erm, I'm not sure whether you've zoomed in and looked at the wheels of the Bulleid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted September 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2013 Did airships ever overfly Grantham in the '30s? Planes perhaps... http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw016186?search=grantham&ref=0 (Unfortunately no railway) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clecklewyke Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Erm, I'm not sure whether you've zoomed in and looked at the wheels of the Bulleid.Bulleid's "Cock of the South"? Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 A fair description. Well well, that loco was in Askrigg only last Friday...... Regarding my P1 that couldn't pull as much as the whitemetal C12: I've just checked the loco weight and she tips the scales at about 13oz. The open-plan nature of the chassis means that nearly all ballast has to go in the body, and I reckon I might just be able to cram in another 2oz. On my own layout, which fits in a space of about 14ft x 13ft, with 3ft radius curves at 3 corners and a much more generous curve at the fourth (through the station), my longest loop will hold loco, 33 coal wagons & brake. My cosmetically loaded (hollow load) coal wagons are all of typical RTR weight with free running pin-point bearings and the P1 never has the slightest trouble with those. As a test this morning I brought the train up to 55 similar wagons. On the level sections of the layout (it's all supposed to be level) the loco was still well in charge, even with the wagons trailing round two curves, but on unintended gentle rising gradients it begins to get light on its feet (without slipping to a stand). Only when asked to start, or run very slowly out of the worst unintended dip is the loco finally beaten. I estimate that if I cram in the extra ballast the loco might fully master 55 wagons and be on its limit again with around 63 - but even with 55 it became noticeable that as the loco was finally managing to drag these out of the low part of the layout the extra drawbar tension was beginning to pull one or two wagons off the rails even on those 3ft curves. I'm not sure whether to interfere..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 It depends whether you want to show off with it on the 6' and easier curves at Grantham, really. Looking at the photos, she was taking the leading 35-ish wagons, including all of mine, some of which are ABS whitemetal P7 hoppers and some of which don't roll very freely. On the slight downhill the J71 was left behind, but even on the rise into the fiddle yard I'd be surprised if the couplings went slack more than 15 wagons up the train (the division was the 'Maltby' wagon, if you can see where that is). I will try to get them rolling a bit better before she makes a return appearance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted September 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2013 A fair description. Well well, that loco was in Askrigg only last Friday...... Regarding my P1 that couldn't pull as much as the whitemetal C12: I've just checked the loco weight and she tips the scales at about 13oz. The open-plan nature of the chassis means that nearly all ballast has to go in the body, and I reckon I might just be able to cram in another 2oz. On my own layout, which fits in a space of about 14ft x 13ft, with 3ft radius curves at 3 corners and a much more generous curve at the fourth (through the station), my longest loop will hold loco, 33 coal wagons & brake. My cosmetically loaded (hollow load) coal wagons are all of typical RTR weight with free running pin-point bearings and the P1 never has the slightest trouble with those. As a test this morning I brought the train up to 55 similar wagons. On the level sections of the layout (it's all supposed to be level) the loco was still well in charge, even with the wagons trailing round two curves, but on unintended gentle rising gradients it begins to get light on its feet (without slipping to a stand). Only when asked to start, or run very slowly out of the worst unintended dip is the loco finally beaten. I estimate that if I cram in the extra ballast the loco might fully master 55 wagons and be on its limit again with around 63 - but even with 55 it became noticeable that as the loco was finally managing to drag these out of the low part of the layout the extra drawbar tension was beginning to pull one or two wagons off the rails even on those 3ft curves. I'm not sure whether to interfere..... It's interesting that weight does not scale linearly. A P1 was designed to haul up to 100 loaded coal wagons (although it's doubtful they ever did due to other considerations), and the weight of the combined loco and tender (according to Wikipedia, that fount of doubtful knowledge) was 151.4 Long Tons, which equates to 153.8 Metric tonnes, or 153829.5 grams. 1/76th of this is 2024.07 grams, or 2 tons in round numbers. So your 4mm scale loco should weigh about 2 tons to have equivalent tractive weight. (Yes, I know there's lots of other factors involved). On the other hand, the electric motor in the loco is probably wildly overpowered for the actual weight of the model, compared to the prototype. I reckon 55 wagons on 3 foot radius curves and uneven gradients is pretty good going! especially since the friction loads at the axles will be far higher than the real thing. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
61070 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) Erm, I'm not sure whether you've zoomed in and looked at the wheels of the Bulleid. See what you mean ...praps the SR hastily and secretly modified one of their Bullieds the better to tackle the ascent of Stoke Bank (OVSB himself having tipped them off?). All ER men's attention being on the spamcan casing, no one noticed the crafty deception. Edited September 4, 2013 by 61070 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 "...one of their Bullieds...." The Bulleid loco would need the extra muscle if was being bullied. Here we go again....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drawed Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Read through from the beginning over the last few days, very enjoyable, excellent layout. Look forward to further development. Well done Sir! D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 My P1, still smarting from having sand kicked in its face by Tony's C12, has now been on an Arnold Schwarzenegger body-building program. You should see its six-pack and biceps now...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted September 14, 2013 Author Share Posted September 14, 2013 So you've refitted the booster engine on the rear axle then - excellent! Look forward to the re-match... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 ..or strapped a house brick to the top of the boiler for extra traction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Extra motor in the Brake Van Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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