Guest Max Stafford Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 B16s allocated to Tweedmouth - are you sure? If you do have any numbers/dates I'd be really interested to know (I don't have the RCTS Green Book or Yeadon for the B16s). I always thought that they spent their time south of Newcastle. I'm not going to profess expert knowledge on the B16s deployments Tim and I accept that I may have got the wrong end of the stick, but I was sure I once read of one or two there in 1954. Mind you that was an over excited 16 year-old Max reading a book in Berwick Library in 1980, so I might have got 5 from two 2s! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Totem for a quid!http://www.flickr.com/photos/killie65/3375596703/ Standard at St Boswells http://www.flickr.com/photos/dwbphotos/4102177309/ The omnipresent 80114 http://www.flickr.com/photos/dwbphotos/4230615051/in/set-72157622501178283/ Quite a tasty art capture of Shankend here http://www.flickr.com/photos/34203630@N03/3190574711/ Bowshank tunnel, in recent years - some strengthening's gone in here http://www.flickr.com/photos/25795659@N02/3245653338/in/photostream/ and an interior shot courtesy of some intrepid explorer http://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfism/3135637445/in/photostream/ While we're on structures, here's an aesthetically uncomfortable-looking structure that people would tell you looked wrong when you modelled it http://www.flickr.com/photos/cessna152towser/3404157433/ and to close this evening's action, just a reminder of the course of the line for anyone unfamiliar with how the direct route linked Edinburgh with Carlisle http://www.flickr.com/photos/26762037@N03/3399467181/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 Back to Kingmoor and yellow stripe 60052, this time the NB departure line, first time just here for us I think:http://oversands.fotopic.net/p49370865.html http://oversands.fotopic.net/p49370880.html http://oversands.fotopic.net/p49370866.html colour lights at Stainton, the next colour lights this crew will see are at Galashiels, in approx 60 miles and two hours. more action at Stainton, this V2 about to run round I imagine http://oversands.fotopic.net/p49370914.html B1x2 on the car train, cross the WCML http://oversands.fotopic.net/p49370906.html And all I came on line for was to look for a couple of road vehicles, DVA 680C of 1965 and 9961 SF of '66. "Why these 'CHARD?," you chorus... Because against all odds (ECW being the norm), I have unearthed not one but two Alexander-bodied Fleetlines operated by Eastern Scottish, a fascinating pair that will make use of two of my stripped EFEs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 My lordz! Pete Robbo never disappoints and this collection is no exception, 'Chard. That view of 60052 by the pair of colour lights with the fells in the distance is a real classic and in essence hasn't changed enough in the intervening 45 years that you can't immediately recognise it. More than you can say about the vista if he panned 90 degrees to the left... If he turned the other way, he would see that the long concrete road bridge has gone although its box girder replacement is having its final span dropped in a this very moment! And he would at least be having an engineers' train rolling gently into shot! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 Not sure what this picture's doing on Photobucket, I'm pretty damn sure I know who the photographer is and wouldn't use Johnny Bravo Elvis as a nom de plume, but I could be proved wrong:http://media.photobucket.com/image/at%20hawick/johnnybravoelvis/HAWICK1.jpg?o=12 This is a bit more interesting, words about Galashiels colour light signalling, mentioned earlier: http://media.photobucket.com/image/at%20galashiels/martin43_2006/GalashielsLNERMag2.jpg?o=12 and a signalling diagram sketch http://media.photobucket.com/image/at%20galashiels/martin43_2006/GalashielsLNERMag2.jpg?o=12#!oZZ11QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fmedia.photobucket.com%2Fimage%2Fat%20galashiels%2Fmartin43_2006%2FGalshiels66schemept2.jpg%3Fo%3D11 now an extract from the S/A I think http://media.photobucket.com/image/at%20galashiels/martin43_2006/GalashielsLNERMag2.jpg?o=12#!oZZ10QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fmedia.photobucket.com%2Fimage%2Fat%20galashiels%2Fmartin43_2006%2FGalashielsLNERSAentry.jpg%3Fo%3D10 there may be more either side of these, but I'm off oot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Ken Hoole's NE Locomotive Sheds shows 7 B16s at Tweedmouth in 1923, 4 in 1933, none in 1939, 1 in 1947 and none in 1954. Another analysis of Tweedmouth's allocation 1955 to 1958 on the BR group is equally bare of B16s....... Stu B16s allocated to Tweedmouth - are you sure? If you do have any numbers/dates I'd be really interested to know (I don't have the RCTS Green Book or Yeadon for the B16s). I always thought that they spent their time south of Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 B16s allocated to Tweedmouth - are you sure? If you do have any numbers/dates I'd be really interested to know (I don't have the RCTS Green Book or Yeadon for the B16s). I always thought that they spent their time south of Newcastle. Information from the Green Book. 7 allocated to Tweedmouth in 1924. All gone by 1935. They were regular visitors to Edinburgh in this period on both passenger and goods workings. Berwick - Waverley stopping service was a regular turn and they were even used on one service to Corstorphine. In 1955 10 went to Heaton mainly to work on the Carlisle - Newcastle route. However until 1958 they worked on the Heads of Ayr Holiday Camp Saturday trains and also Glasgow to Filey Holiday Camp and Scarborough. Unfortunately no mention of specific numbers regarding any individual working. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 Tweedmouth locos possibly included examples like 61410/30/8/9/55/75, at least that's where I'd start my research. But they were a rarity, to say the very least, over the Waverley railway line between Edinburgh and Carlisle, via Hawick. They were regular visitors to Edinburgh in this period on both passenger and goods workings. Berwick - Waverley stopping service was a regular turn and they were even used on one service to Corstorphine. Bernard As we know, there's a long and proud tradition of Edinburgh and its sheds putting incoming foreign locos and stock to work on fill-in turns until the next leg of their booked diagrams. Thus we have Deltics to Hawick, Baby Sulzers to all points south, Peaks and duffs borrowed to work trips, and DMUs poked into improbable parts of the Lothian system during a layover. That the occasional B16 worked to Corstorphine (imagine linesiding that at Pinkhill!!!) surprises me not one jot or iota, and lends great credibility to the idea of half a dozen sightings of the class over the northern reaches of the Waverley and away to the East Coast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 In 1955 10 went to Heaton mainly to work on the Carlisle - Newcastle route. However until 1958 they worked on the Heads of Ayr Holiday Camp Saturday trains and also Glasgow to Filey Holiday Camp and Scarborough. Unfortunately no mention of specific numbers regarding any individual working. In May 1957, Heaton had 61410/13/40/51/56/58/69 (Locomotives Illustrated number 57) and these worked over the Newcastle-Carlisle line, mainly on freight but also the Heads of Ayr trains (Green Book). Gateshead had 61460/65 on loan (from York?) in summer 1957 for passenger workings on that route and 61416/20 (again on loan from York?) the next summer (Green Book). I expect that the Heaton engines on the Heads of Ayr trains would have come off at Carlisle. (However, if someone can produce a photo of a B16 at Dumfries, that would be very interesting! ) Bernard, the way I read the Green Book, the B16s only worked Filey and Scarborough trains between Newcastle and those towns, not north or west of Newcastle. I think the picture of the B16 on the Waverley (which started this whole digression) is a one-off, with Canal shed being caught short and borrowing an engine which had worked in from the NER. Incidentally, the B16 in that photo, 61439, appears to have been a York engine for all of its BR life. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 Digress away as much as is your desire, chaps, that's what this thread draws strength from. Stops it from being me chasing the mythical quarry of the master list of internal combustion and its every move over the hallowed metals between 31/12/67 and 29/4/69. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 And thanks to my learned colleagues for the B16 gen. I think I can see where I made the blooper on that June morning thirty years ago. Actually, I was more interested in the 1933 allocation back in those days, and clearly crossed the years over in my frenzied absorption of the gen! I take it my nearest B16/1 to the border in 1955 is at Heaton then? That'll do if so! Quite how it gets to Stirling is another matter entirely...! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 First in an occasional series, these were taken on 31st May. Melrose - incredible survivor: Notice of land acquisition, Fountainhall: Concrete sectional platform, Heriot: Looking towards Falahill from Fountainhall, site of signal box right front: Lothianbridge viaduct, Newtongrange: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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'CHARD Posted June 23, 2010 Author Share Posted June 23, 2010 The definitive road-trip distance-to-go sign.... Next trip scheduled in the next ten days, so expect more of the same. If anyone has requests for pics at any specific locus, shout. 2M52 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 Not sure how my finely-attuned antennae missed this, but here we go, a good news story from last week: http://news.bbc.co.u...nd/10365420.stm ...of course, the usual nay-sayers air their boring, same-old pitch in related stories. Strangely enough it's usually those who would deny others (less fortunate than themselves) the right to efficient public transport (and therefore meaningful mobility), that moan about these projects. Rings true about the events of 41+ years ago, too, but let's not get me started on that particularly odious Government/ Road lobby skullduggery, hey... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 A savoury off-region shot of Sierra Sixty-Four, with rare headboard http://www.derbysulz...hamwaverley.jpg and another http://www.derbysulz...xsaltairebw.jpg http://www.derbysulz...ellifieldbw.jpg and a rather nice consist shot of Mike Eighty-Eight http://www.derbysulz...xxskiptonbw.jpg while we're on the subject of consists, here's D17 on the successor to M88, 1M91, making this the summer of 1968 by my reckoning. Yes I know we've seen this before, but look at that wretched MkII third from the loco, and interestingly, this is load nine, with some flavour of bun-truck immediately behind the MkII: http://www.derbysulzers.com/45xxxwavhawick68.jpg and a little footnote from the Derby Sulzers site (paraphrasing something I previously attributed to Modern Railways May 1969, I think: 'On January 12/13th 1969 the junction between the Waverley route and the West Coast main line at Carlisle No.3 Junction was removed. This junction had been slated for renewal but this was held in abeyance pending the fate of the Waverley route.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 Fell on this aerial shot of Hardengreen Jct from the RCAHMS archive, and it shows one of the forgotten nerve centres of the line, and I mean overlooked: http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/255280/details/eskbank+edinburgh+to+hawick+branch+railway+hardengreen+junction+signal+box/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted July 1, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2010 ^^^ That aerial shot looks very much like a high quality 2mm scale layout! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 ^^^ That aerial shot looks very much like a high quality 2mm scale layout! Maybe it's Millerhill-Boy's best kept secret I've a mate lives about two miles from there, I'll ask her to check! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 And now, a short intermission: http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_edin_t/0_edinburgh_transport_railways_leith_central_deltic.jpg DELTIC rests at 64H in June 1959 after travelling light loco from Carlisle. Via the Waverley Route. Come on you lot, this find deserves Five-Star billing 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhillboy Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 And now, a short intermission: http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_edin_t/0_edinburgh_transport_railways_leith_central_deltic.jpg DELTIC rests at 64H in June 1959 after travelling light loco from Carlisle. Via the Waverley Route. Come on you lot, this find deserves Five-Star billing Definite brucie bonus points for that.... Here's another big beastie at Leith Central.. Leith Central Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 Mate, I love that shed. When I'm up there next I shall drink a toast to its memory - if there's anything remotely resembling an ordinary saloon bar in the vicinity these days, that is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Bound to be one there, but watch out for Begbie... Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 Oh it's all going on tonight, here's another total newbie: http://www.railphotoprints.co.uk/index/detail/1034/D8570-D8573-Newcastleton-250666-RPC053001.jpg.html 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Oh it's all going on tonight, here's another total newbie: http://www.railphotoprints.co.uk/index/detail/1034/D8570-D8573-Newcastleton-250666-RPC053001.jpg.html A total anorak like me ignores the train and studies the track. Nice one. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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