cliff park Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Further to my last post, this shows a part of the layout, still very much a 'work in progress' but does show the effect better, albeit still with short grass fibres. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Thank you for the photos Cliff, It just goes to show you do not need to pay a fortune to create standing grass. I think one of those fancy applicators cost the best part of £200 . ATB, Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Thank you for the photos Cliff, It just goes to show you do not need to pay a fortune to create standing grass. I think one of those fancy applicators cost the best part of £200 . ATB, Martyn. In the interests of fairness - I think that 'up to £200' is somewhat mis-leading. The Green-Scenes Flock-it, which I sold my Grass-Master to buy, because it was so much better, retails at £80.00. Running on 12v, that will happily dispense fibres well over 12mm long if required, and give a very high density. I have no connection with Green-Scenes other than as a satisfied customer. As always, it's a matter of personal choice, and many people won't want to spend £80 on a static machine, but they certainly don't have to spend any more than that..... Edited November 29, 2014 by Giles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted November 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2014 Giles is quite right .The 'Greenscenes' machine is excellent and it's as good as the Noch 'GrasMaster. which did cost me £125 a few years ago but I've now bought the latest 'GrasMaster 2.0' which runs at 20kv as opposed to the original version which ran at 12kv. The results are superb with this machine which I got from Germany for around £100 (£130 or thereabouts over here). They are now priced at €109 (£87) due to the strong pound against the euro. http://www.modellbah...in_produkt.html If good results can be achieved with the 'fly swat' method for shorter fibres that's great, but for 10mm/12mm ones the machines would be needed I feel. After all...you pays your money you takes your choice as they say! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff park Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I model in 00, and it is unlikely I would ever use 12mm grass, (3 feet high in scale terms). I perfectly understand that the longer stems would be used in other scales. I have some longer grass on order, and when it arrives and I have had a chance to try it I will let you know how my cheapy grasser works. May I say I only made a cheap version to see if they worked. I would probably never have bought an expensive one, using other methods for grass. By the way has anybody used a static grass machine for flock on trees, hedges etc? A bit like modern car spray shops, in theory, the static effect should work at attracting the flock to the armature. In other words, looking for the attraction effect, not the sticky-up effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted November 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2014 By the way has anybody used a static grass machine for flock on trees, hedges etc? Yes - Gordon Gravett. In his two volumes on modelling trees, published by Wild Swan, he discusses using these fibres both to provide the thorns on a hawthorn and the needles on a conifer. Short version: it works! From my own experiments, it also works on rubberised horsehair (for bushes/hedges). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campaman Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 The grass on this post http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/92499-scalscenes-bridge/was done with a flyswat/T-strainer, I have used it with good results with up to 6mm fibres, haven't tried longer yet but did experiment with some cut up sisal hanging basket liner which is thicker and longer thatn 6mm and it made that stand up as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftbovine Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Don't forget to try the balloon trick once you've finished with the swatter. It works remarkably well in conjunction with the swatter and is the most inexpensive of the lot. Family members may think you have lost your marbles though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campaman Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Thats my method, apply with swatter, leave to dry for a bit, rub balloon on wifes cardy, use to raise more fibres, once completly dry a suck over with the hoover to remove excess and stand the rest up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Have a go at mixing your own David. Using Woodland Scenics Field Grass - http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/category/fieldgrass/ you can blend your own lengths and colour mixes. You may look at a pack and think "that's not much for £3.00" but it goes further than you think. The tufts on BCB's wasteland were applied by hand rather than through a grass machine but it uses the aforementioned materials. In fact you'll struggle to get long fibres through the tea-strainer types of applicator, it needs something with a big mesh and a bit of oomph. BCB_tufts.jpg Click to blow it up to full size. Grass master has a big mesh and lots of oomph, make even long fibers stand up. Edited December 16, 2014 by darren01 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 My first attempt at using my home made fly-swat applicator. rather than using a tea strainer I found a £1.50 sugar sifting pot. Once attached and connected on the fly-swat handle it means I can fill it with fibres and they won't fall out as the cup screws onto the frame. Just to make sure I went over again with the balloon trick. The grass fibres are "Green scene" short and medium lengths. There is some leaf scatter under the grass layer to provide some colour variation. Clumps of Woodland scenics foliage and underbush make up most of the rest. Adrian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross34 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Has anybody come across this piece of kit before? The Flockbox. http://www.warpainter.net/Flockboxpages/Flockbox.html It's actually quite a good tool. I've tried it once or twice and it will make really good "tufts" and small random bit of grass all day long. I suspect it's not really designed for covering great swathes but considering what I paid for it I'm more than pleased. I bought it primarily after seeing the work of Pelle Soeberg whose Mojave Desert scenery is a real inspiration. http://www.soeeborg.dk/photogalleryeng.html Apologies for the rubbish photos but hopefully you get the idea. And I should say I have no connection with the manufacturer other than a happy customer. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted December 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2014 Excellent find there Ross. I'll be ordering one! It looks to have excellent abilities for tufts in many different sizes. I always have a little bother when using the 'GrasMaster' when trying to get into tight corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yeah, love topics about static grass !! Startin in modeling in 2010 I bought the Noch grasmaster 1.0 but didn't like it because it lacks power. Converted it to run on 12V and attached a lead to to sieve to have it's power on the fronr end. Still although the Noch says it produces 15kV, it lacks power and on 12V it can generate 12kV. Experimented a lot with grasses tey asked me to green a layout 300m2 in Essen Germany. First time I worked with a Maag Eroflock, and man thats the machine, 70kV of pure power but not affordable for the average modeler. Still making it my profession I bought the 975 euro without VAT machine. Lotta people over the pond started to see mee as an expert on modeling grasses and stuff Noch profided me with their new 2.0 , it's way better then the new one, but I model 0 scale and like to use 12mm fibers..they wouldn't stand te way I wanted them. Another package came in for test runs. New company from Germany called RTS. Their Greenkeepers come in the range from 15, 35 and 55 kV . Although used to the explosive power of the Maag I truely can recommend these RTS's. A clever design wich makes use of the power the device generates. For 00 and 0 scale the 35kV will do, with lots of longer fibers used they have a 55KV. Static power you can smell.. Want grasses like this.. DSC_3145_1345 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3361_1515 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3454_1604 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3459_1608 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3477_1626 by milocomarty, on Flickr You need power...a converted flyswatter won't work IMO 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted December 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Superb effect with those mixed textures. Plain rough grass does look nice but is rarely seen without weeds. My original machine works quite well for me but the new 20kv GrasMaster 2.0 is so much better. I would love to use 70kv but that machine is a little too expensive for me! Do you need rubber boots on your feet when using it? ...............! A link for everybody to your other scenic work: http://stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70994&p=1206575&hilit=pine+trees#p1206575 Edited December 31, 2014 by Re6/6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Hi John, thanks for the nice comments, and I do have rubber soles under my shoes ...no no need for that..Ithe maag is one hell of a machine but for those who serious like to model grasses and stuff I recommend the RTS greenkeepers..value for the money, although they are not cheap they are way better as anything else I tried.. http://www.rts-greenkeeper.de/ The 35kV is the same price as the Noch 2.0 ( recommended price) but you have a couple of V's more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tase Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Yeah, love topics about static grass !! Startin in modeling in 2010 I bought the Noch grasmaster 1.0 but didn't like it because it lacks power. Converted it to run on 12V and attached a lead to to sieve to have it's power on the fronr end. Still although the Noch says it produces 15kV, it lacks power and on 12V it can generate 12kV. Experimented a lot with grasses tey asked me to green a layout 300m2 in Essen Germany. First time I worked with a Maag Eroflock, and man thats the machine, 70kV of pure power but not affordable for the average modeler. Still making it my profession I bought the 975 euro without VAT machine. Lotta people over the pond started to see mee as an expert on modeling grasses and stuff Noch profided me with their new 2.0 , it's way better then the new one, but I model 0 scale and like to use 12mm fibers..they wouldn't stand te way I wanted them. Another package came in for test runs. New company from Germany called RTS. Their Greenkeepers come in the range from 15, 35 and 55 kV . Although used to the explosive power of the Maag I truely can recommend these RTS's. A clever design wich makes use of the power the device generates. For 00 and 0 scale the 35kV will do, with lots of longer fibers used they have a 55KV. Static power you can smell.. Want grasses like this.. You need power...a converted flyswatter won't work IMO Some great work there. May I ask what brand of fibres you use please? Edited December 31, 2014 by Tase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Mainly Mininatur and the new series from Modelscene..but I do mix them to get the natural colors I want.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Besides doin grasses I do use this static machine for more stuff like bushes trees and so on.. DSC_2525_819 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3485_1634 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3717_1840 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3717_1840 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3186_1379 by milocomarty, on Flickr Edited December 31, 2014 by milocomarty 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) Has anybody come across this piece of kit before? The Flockbox. Flockbox.jpg New toy now ordered from a very helpful chap. Machine http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281531933391?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Recommended charger: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370897337707?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Hi John, thanks for the nice comments, and I do have rubber soles under my shoes ...no no need for that..Ithe maag is one hell of a machine but for those who serious like to model grasses and stuff I recommend the RTS greenkeepers..value for the money, although they are not cheap they are way better as anything else I tried.. http://www.rts-greenkeeper.de/ The 35kV is the same price as the Noch 2.0 ( recommended price) but you have a couple of V's more Have you tried the 35kv version? I use from 1mm to 10mm fibres. As you say it has a similar 'retail' price as the 2.0 Noch so looks to be good value. I would love to get the 55kv version but maybe a bit above my price range! I love the idea of static that you can smell! Edited January 1, 2015 by Re6/6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I did try them all John, Work with the 35 and 55 in my workshops. They really good value for the money, well build machines. The difference between the RTS and the Noch is the thick aluminium bottom in the cup. Charges the fibers way better.. See no real use for this flockbox, you can do the same with every static machine.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterkern23 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Besides doin grasses I do use this static machine for more stuff like bushes trees and so on.. DSC_2525_819 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3485_1634 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3717_1840 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3717_1840 by milocomarty, on Flickr DSC_3186_1379 by milocomarty, on Flickr Astounding effect on the tree! That alone is worth buying an applicator. Could you explain your process on this? Cheers Pete 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Shall see if I can do a SBS on trees Pete, maybe add a new topic for it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterkern23 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) I think it's an important factor. Trees are notoriously difficult to get right and any help to achieve a look consistent with my building models would be great! Edited March 15, 2015 by Peterkern23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted April 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 22, 2015 I've now received the 'Greenkeeper 55kv' machine from Germany. I'm very pleased with it indeed. Unscrewing the grill cap to top up even when it's switched off fibres are propelled upwards! First quick effort. It took only a few shakes to get this. The machine is 'awesome' (using the word properly!) 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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