WWS Scenery Manufacturer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Hi Guys, Just some Friendly Info We will be attending The Gauge 0 Guild Ltd - Guildex 2015 International Centre, Shropshire TF3 4JH on the Sat 5th - Sun 6th ~ September lots of demos with static grass Thanks Martyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 29, 2015 This is not how we usually want it to look, but it does happen in nature! We struggle to get it all upright 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Still see the majority of the grasses standing John.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWS Scenery Manufacturer Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 This is not how we usually want it to look, but it does happen in nature! We struggle to get it all upright Grass in rails 1.jpg what you can do is wait until the glue has dried a bit then run a hoover hover the top and spray (this is where i should say use our Layering spray as its stronger) hair spray on it that should do the trick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggzuk Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 What a great informative topic this is for all things static grass! Thanks. Whist working out on the railways, I came across some real "static" grass. The clumps were on a disused portion of track bed adjacent to an open single line. There was a very distinct edge to the grassy area and the edge of the ballast shoulder For scale, the chair screw spikes are about 6 inch long, so the clumps in the 4th shot will just under 2mm in dia. for 4mm scale. These photos were taken in October. Hope this is of use. Paul 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2015 Whichever applicator they used for this, they didn't vacuum up the surplus afterwards! :-D 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Looks good, nice reference ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight-Freight Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 What a great thread, loads of useful information for someone like me who is just starting to think about static grass. I was going to start by building a fly-swat one but given I only have small patches here and there to do i'm wondering if just using the balloon method followed by vacuuming once it's dried a bit would suffice? I think i'll have to give it a try... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfan Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 What happens when static grass is applied to embankments please? Does the grass stand vertically as in real life, or does it stand at 90 degrees to the slope? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ianLMS Posted February 8, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2016 Mine stood at between 45 and 90 degree angles on the slope no matter where I place the applicator. During the drying process, I just lightly "combed" the grass into a more vertical position, but its quite fiddly. bumps look like a hedgehog with grass coming out at every angle! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfan Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Thanks Ian, I'd better stick with the more conventional methods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ianLMS Posted February 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2016 I am still a great fan of static grass. Adds so much realism especially in areas close to the viewers. Using good quality grass from different vendors and blending them gives the best result. I layer mine, 2mm, 3mm, 4mm and 10mm in places to give a more natural uneven cover. I hide the hedgehog bits with various scatters such as Coarse, Underbrush and bushes from woodland scenics. I highly recommend trying it out. I wasn't convinced until I built my static grass applicator. I was too skeptical to shell out £100 straight off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ianLMS Posted February 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2016 Here are a couple of pictures showing my static grass. The first picture is in the village and shows 3mm and 4mm. The back right of the picture is the start of the hill covered in just standard scatter material. The second shot shows the 4mm grass and it slightly sticking out at an angle. Not drastic and in my humble opinion, quite realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfan Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I hear what you're saying Ian, and I like static grass as well. But I'm modelling Belgrave and Birstall station on the GC which is in a shallow cutting and has 16 ft long embankments either side on the station, and I think static grass sticking out at an angle wouldn't look very realistic in this sort of quantity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted February 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2016 Did my first bit if static grassing today. Used a WWS Pro grass Micro applicator and 2mm, 4mm and 6mm grass. Also had a nice chat with Martyn when I rang WWS this morning. All I can say is that I have no hesitation in recommending WWS. I have no connection with them other than as a first time buyer and already satisfied user of their products. A couple of views of my test piece today. Rob 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted February 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2016 I wouldn't worry too much about grass being absolutely vertical. The photos below show how irregularly grass and other vegetation can grow - it really does stick out at all angles! So long as the fibres are more vertical than horizontal, then it shouldn't look unrealistic. If you do have a problem with the angle, then you can (carefully) use a vacuum suction to draw/'comb' the fibres towards the angle you want just after application when the glue's still wet. OK, these two frames were taken after a day & night of heavy rain, but long grass does get beaten down by wind and rain... Nearly vertical, but still on a bit of a lean on a small, shallow embankment. And here the plants grow at an angle to reach into the lane & light without being overshadowed by the hedges. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Here are few pictures of the different shades of static grass ive put down on Banks road freight yard. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin t Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hi! I made a tutorial on Static grass a few weeks ago. Maybe not to show off with awesome results, but to share some techniques that might be useful to get started. This seemed to be the right thread to post it. Hope you like it. https://youtu.be/ne9vxiIQMes 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezzy Oppo Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I really enjoyed this, thank you! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin t Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Sorry guys, not wanna go into the mine is bigger as yours debate..so back to static grass.. these are the results of playing around for 4 years now. On a good base cover with fine turf adding drops instead of a full coat of glue. Working in 6 to 8 layers.. Howdy! I like watching these photos and wonder if you´re applying spray-glue + turf after some of the layers? Or is it shorter static grass? It also seem like you only apply glue in spots and apply many rounds of spots with different coloured static grass? Right/Wrong? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milocomarty Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 You're right, I do work with a lot of spots / drops of glue. Last layer is a bit of sprayglue and some fine turf for weeds.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Terrific advice. Here's the first time in my like that I've actually got grass to stand up by using Greenscene's Flockit and 12 mm fibres. Cheers. Allan 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted April 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) Where's the 'bloody hell!' button...? Here's a photo of my more modest efforts. Rob. Edited April 10, 2016 by nhy581 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) I'm going to add a contribution, but some of you won't like it. Here's what I've done over the last couple of days.... It's a 0 scale shelf layout, just something to play with at home in anticipation of a Dapol 08 arriving soon. There is no static grass in this picture. There are lots of strands sold as static grass, but there is no static grass. I think it looks OK. Here's what I do....... I put a pool of diluted PVA over the area where I want the grass to stick. Then using my fingers I sprinkle static grass fibres onto the PVA, quite thickly until no more white can be seen. I don't push it itno the glue, just sprinkle it on the top. I mix four of five different colours and lengths in a bowl, never just use one bag as it comes. After an hour, I go over the top of the grass with an ordianry domestic vacuum cleaner nozzle, about four inches above the grass. All the strands stand up, but are sufficiently held by the glue to remain in place. It still looks quite rough, but then after three or so hours I go over it again only this time with the nozzle close to the grass, only a few mm above it. All the loose fibres come off (to be emptied out and resused), and the grass that's left is what will remain on the model. The fibres are standing up as they should, the lengths and colours are varied and it looks good. Below is the same area as it was when it was finished. I wanted a spring scene with quite a bright green, but with the grass kept short by being nibbled by sheep (as the layout is meant to represent the Forest of Dean, somewhere similar to Marsh Sidings at Parkend). These pictures show more of the layout....obviously the technique can be used with a mixture of colours and I've used lengths up to 12mm long on other layouts and it's just fine with them. On small areas I don't bother with the vacuum cleaner, blowing the strands works just as well. You can add flowers by giving the grass a light spray with Photomount and just sprinkling them on...I use the coloured scatters from Greenscene. You don't need expensive equipment in order to model grass. The introduction of packs of static grass fibres is one of the greatest advances in scenic modelling of the last twenty years, but don't believe everything you're told about how to apply it...and the first question to ask is whether the person telling you is trying to sell you an applicator! I know what people will say...this isn't static grass. They're right, it isn't. So what!! If you'd like to see pictures of other layouts using different colours and lengths I'll be happy to oblige. Peter Edited May 12, 2016 by kirtleypete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharris Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I tried that on the wifes cardy while she was still in it and she got excited. Highly recommended ! I was going to rate that post as 'informative', but what we really need is a 'too informative' button :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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