N15class Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I thought I would start this topic for the prototype questions I will have probably have a whole load of questions. I thought I would open a new thread rather than use the one I started about the kit, which you may of seen. There is also a blog on the 7mm scale rebuild. My first question is about the coupling rods. Are they fluted or plain on the 6959 series? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePipersSon Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 The picture in Russell's shows the coupling rods to be plain. Graythwaite Hall (?) 6976 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2012 All the Collett and Hawksworth 4-6-0s had plain coupling rods (and fluted connecting rods). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 Thanks for the replys. The photos that I could see them were of the plain type but it is always best to check. Next question, relates to the Hawksworth 4000 gallon tender, I could do with a drawing for this that is available on line as I have none of my GW books here. Also any photos of the top of it? Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 ....the Hawksworth 4000 gallon tender, I could do with a drawing for this that is available on line as I have none of my GW books here. Also any photos of the top of it? Have you tried sifting through Flickr? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Have you tried sifting through Flickr? I hadn't but I will give it a go. I forget about flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Hi guys Yet another question for you. I know or I am sure I know there are 2 wash out plugs no top of the boiler lose to the firebox. But was there also 2 on top of the boiler close to the smoke box? If not the model has 2 holes there what would they likely be, they are to high for the oil pipe covers? If they are not ment to be there it is easier to fix before the smoke box is attached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yes, most GWR boilers have a pair of plugs close to the front of the boiler. They are high up, roughly in line with the flange of the chimney and about six inches back from the joint with the smokebox. I don't have a drawing to hand so can't give you more precise measurements. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yes, most GWR boilers have a pair of plugs close to the front of the boiler. They are high up, roughly in line with the flange of the chimney and about six inches back from the joint with the smokebox. I don't have a drawing to hand so can't give you more precise measurements. Nick Thanks. That seems about right for my boiler. I will fill them with washout plugs not brass wire and sandpaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Is there any difference between the 6959 series and 7900 series. If so is it visible and what would it be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 As far as I'm aware there were no differences between the Modified Halls. The numbering simply carried on at 7900 where it had left off at 6999. They weren't of a different series. This was the same with the original series Hall which started at 4901 and ended at 5920. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 Justin. Thanks I could see no difference between them but thought I ought to ask. Next question, did St Peter's hall run with the Hawksworth tender and if so when. Is there a web list to which loco ran with which tender? THANKS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 7900 would of course have run with a Hawksworth tender from new. She ended her days with a Collett example. The only picture I could find of 7900 with a Hawksworth tender is in 'Working Stem - Collett and Hawksworth Halls' which is dated April 1958, but then I couldn't find that many photos. When she gained it and when it was changed I don't know. The tenders got swapped around a fair bit so I'd be very suprised if those were the only two times she ran with them. I don't think there is any online list of loco and tender pairings. The information would be on the relevant engine record card. Perhaps someone has that information.It's a shame Irwell press haven't done a 'Book of the Halls' maybe one day they'll get around to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 ....It's a shame Irwell press haven't done a 'Book of the Halls' maybe one day they'll get around to it. If it's anything like the one they published for the "Castles", it'll be a very short run and very hard to get hold of.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pobrien Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 A photo of 7900 with a Collett tender with which she almost certainly ended her days http://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5649628815/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 A photo of 7900 with a Collett tender with which she almost certainly ended her days http://www.flickr.co...eam/5649628815/ Thanks for that, nice photo, I really need to know when she was running witha Hawksworth tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 27, 2012 Author Share Posted December 27, 2012 Thanks all for the help so far. I am still trying to find out when 7900 lost its Hawkworth tender, so any help there will be appreciated. Also injectors I presume there was one behind each of the cab steps. I cannot make it out from my photos. I also assume that it would of had backhead fitted clack valves. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I can't help with the tender, but photos in Russell look like there are the usual GWR injectors behind the steps on both sides. No clacks on the backhead, though, that's what the topfeed is for. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 27, 2012 Author Share Posted December 27, 2012 Thanks Nick I think it was a senior moment, asking about the backhead clacks. I will write out 100 times "no backhead clacks when there is a top feed" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Thanks all for the help so far. I am still trying to find out when 7900 lost its Hawkworth tender, so any help there will be appreciated. Also injectors I presume there was one behind each of the cab steps. I cannot make it out from my photos. I also assume that it would of had backhead fitted clack valves. Thanks again. Hi N15 Class, You are right that the Halls had their injectors mounted behind the cab steps. The fireman's side has the larger exhaust injector and the driver's side has the live steam one. Be careful when looking at preserved engines for reference in this area as many have two live steam injectors due to the high cost of replicating the exhaust one. I hope this helps! All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 Castle Thanks it does I will have to try and find some clearer photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 Hi I am rebuilding a GWR Modified Hall. I am after some information on the live and exhaust injectors behind the cab steps. Plus the set up for the water pickup and operating linkage for the 4000 gallon Hawksworth tender. Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Hi Peter, I should be able to sort you out. You have a PM. All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 Here is another very easy to answer question, well easy if you know the answer. In early BR days, what colour would the nameplate and number backgrounds be. Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Hi Peter, The answer is simply that it is most likely brass with red background if you are doing the LNWR inspired BR mixed traffic black. (Unless there is specific evidence for No. 7900 out there that someone has that says otherwise). Once they went green it was black backgrounds. The smokebox number and shed code plates were always black background, white lettering. I hope this helps! All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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