mow Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Hi Andy It's not being piloted, but there's a photo of Port Line at Banbury on 12 March 1966 on a returning Soton - Wolves football special in John Sagar's book "Steam in Action - Bulleid Pacifics". The caption indicates that it worked the train throughout. I'd have loved to have some MN thrash up Hatton, but I was only 1 year old at the time and might not have appreciated the rarity value! David Not a Merchant Navy Class but 2 Light Pacifics at Hatton on the way with Football Specials. For the Southampton Man U game in 1963 at Villa Park. - Law got the winning goal. http://www.semgonlin...team/blp51.html "On 27th April 1963 fifteen specials from Southampton took supporters to an FA Cup semi-final. Ten of the specials from Southampton ran via Basingstoke, Oxford and Leamington to Snow Hill, nine of them with Southern Pacifics throughout, one of which was 34028 Eddystone. pictured here at Hatton. This photo on Flickr gives details of the Light Pacifics used that day. http://www.flickr.co...N08/3887209636/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 One of “Boscastle’s” more unusual trips took place on 27th April 1963, hauling a football special to Birmingham, when Southampton FC were playing Manchester United at Villa Park in the FA Cup semi-final. Several trains ran from Hampshire stations that day, the locomotives being serviced and stabled at Tyseley for the return run. http://www.gcrailway...4039-boscastle/ Looks as no MN Class were used that day. http://www.sixbellsj...s/630427br.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2012 One of “Boscastle’s” more unusual trips took place on 27th April 1963, hauling a football special to Birmingham, when Southampton FC were playing Manchester United at Villa Park in the FA Cup semi-final. Several trains ran from Hampshire stations that day, the locomotives being serviced and stabled at Tyseley for the return run. Only 3 went to Tyseley, those coming in via the OWW. The other 9 went to Oxley and Stourbridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 http://www.semgonlin...team/mn_52.html Nº35026 Lamport & Holt Line photographed at Doncaster on the occasion of a Williams Deacons Bank excursion from Manchester to York on 20th November 1966. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted December 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2012 Good to see our leader taking an interest in 'proper engines' at last I don't have any evidence to hand but as shown above so far there were a number of special services that saw them run through further north than Oxford especially towards the latter days of steam. The often quoted six bells junction website is a good place to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted December 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2012 35029 definitely made it to York Mr York. Didn't make it out again though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2012 35026 at York David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 The WR and they were also permitted, with restrictions, over the West London Line 1963 Route Availability book shows them as permitted without any restrictions 'Oxford via Banbury to Wolverhampton'. However they were definitely a rarity on workings off the Southern to Oxford although - I think - not entirely unknown on the usual booked SR turns to Oxford. (As an aside they were also permitted to run to Plymouth via Newton Abbott but were banned from all the ex SR lines in the Plymouth area including the route into Friary) Tony's been following the topic with interest - Would you thank Stationmaster for the clarification, please? His knowledge on SR route-availability is far superior to mine, and it's because the 'Kings' were restricted from the Oxford lines that I (erroneously) assumed that this might have applied to the MNs as well. That said, if any MNs did work into Oxford it was a very rare event, I believe the V2s were banned from the Banbury to Oxford line (because of weight restrictions) on the workings from the NE to the South, though B1s were not uncommon. It's said that Oxford was the one place on BR's system where one could legitimately and regularly see locos from all of the Big Four and the Standards side by side, though not the largest. All in all a most interesting discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbringer Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I seem to remember Bert Hooker writing about driving/firing a MN on a railtour that went a fair way up country. Unfortunately as I'm at least 100 miles away from home I can't give details but it was in his second book "Legendary Railwayman" Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 35012 United States Lines off Southern metals at Grayrigg on 13th June 1964 when one of no less than five locomotives, plus a DMMU, which were used on the RCTS's Solway Ranger rail tour. http://www.semgonlin...team/mn_51.html 35011 General Steam Navigation photographed a long way from home at Oxford during November 1965. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2012 Tony's been following the topic with interest - Going slightly off the original topic of MNs the 1963 book shows V2s as authorised between Didcot and Aynho Jcn in an emergency (only) subject to an overall maximum speed limit of 55mph with restriction to 20mph over 3 nominated bridges enroute. They were authorised between Paddington and Saltney Jcn via Bicester but basically over Main, Relief, and Platform lInes only with severe restrictions on access to sidings. The restrictions on them appear to derive mainly from end throw as well as, presumably either axleweight or their Bridge Curve loading and were very severe speed wise off the lines already mentioned as cleared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob hughes60 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 See Wolverhampton Railway Album Vol. 2 by Dewey and Williams, plate 163, 34087 145 Squadron coaling up at Oxley shed having worked a summer saturday extra in 1965. and Vol. 1 last page "Some visitors to Wolverhampton" 34064 Fighter Command just south of Low Level station with a Talyllin RPS special from Paddington to Towyn !!!! on 28/09/63 worked as far as Ruabon with southern region stock. Hope this is useful, Bob Hughes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Going slightly off the original topic of MNs the 1963 book shows V2s as authorised between Didcot and Aynho Jcn in an emergency (only) subject to an overall maximum speed limit of 55mph with restriction to 20mph over 3 nominated bridges enroute. They were authorised between Paddington and Saltney Jcn via Bicester but basically over Main, Relief, and Platform lInes only with severe restrictions on access to sidings. The restrictions on them appear to derive mainly from end throw as well as, presumably either axleweight or their Bridge Curve loading and were very severe speed wise off the lines already mentioned as cleared. Thanks Mike, Tony's appreciative of the comments. It looks like I was right about the V2s on the Oxford lines, so please thank The Stationmaster for that clarification, too. And thanks too to the person (MOW) who posted the picture of 35011 at Oxford, though Bournemouth -70F - where it was shedded isn't that far from Oxon, especially when compared with the other MN seen on Grayrigg. Speaking with a friend yesterday (a follower of the GWR) he told me that when the few bridges on the Bristol/West of England/Birmingham road of the GW were strengthened to accept the 'Kings', the link between Didcot and Aynho was not considered of sufficient status for its few bridges in need of strengthening to qualify. Economic sense, I suppose. Finally, when I mentioned Oxford as the place to see locos from all the regions together, I quite forgot Kensington Olympia as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 14, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2012 Rail Centres No.9 "Oxford" has 35021 leaving South with the Pines as 34097 arrives with a Poole - Sheffield service (8 August 64) Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Apologies for the very poor quality of this photo which I took on 3rd July 1965 before I boarded this train, a Bournemouth-York working, to Banbury....a birthday treat!. Normally the locomotive would have been swapped for a Hall or Grange at Oxford and then exchanged for an English Electric Type 3 at Banbury for the rest of the journey to York. On this occasion, however, and quite frequently after that the Southern engines continued to Banbury and the change was carried out there until the advent of Brush Type 4's on the workings, which then worked throughout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 14, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2012 Only 3 went to Tyseley, those coming in via the OWW. The other 9 went to Oxley and Stourbridge Good description here (bottom of page): http://locoperformance.tripod.com/edition13/1958snowhill.htm Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Not sure whether this was brought up in the discussion at the time, but it deserves an airing simply because it is just a couple of miles away from the legendary Trafalgar Sidings !!!! http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8435/7948446954_a501b02a62_b.jpg From the collection of John Duff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share Posted January 18, 2013 Not sure whether this was brought up in the discussion at the time, but it deserves an airing simply because it is just a couple of miles away from the legendary Trafalgar Sidings !!!! Oh FFS, that's all Spams needs to start foisting battered Bulleids on everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 18, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2013 Oh FFS, that's all Spams needs to start foisting battered Bulleids on everyone. He's marked this as liked so he's already got the prototype, see last paragraph on this post http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64884-black-country-blues-operations/page-6&do=findComment&comment=873342 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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