Hroth Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I was waiting for the email to arrive.Hattons have had the "on or after the 29th July" date up since at least the 8th July (when I got the last delivery information update...) and have stuck with it even though the Hornby Trade site has been saying "5th September" for R3171 since about the 22nd. (See post 834 by 87029). They DID change the proposed dates for R3207 and R3246TTS about then, but not R3171. I notice they're not even listing R3207 now!Hattons don't seem to keep an eye on these things, I suppose that they got jogged into action by a customer phoning over the weekend to ask when they could expect delivery..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffi_C Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I'm after the main range one, and that's what I planned to do if it didn't come with some. Have previous models such as the special edition Tornado and Duke of Gloucester come with them? I imagine the P2 will be the same as those. Unfortunately it's all too likely that this will repeat the disaster that was the Duke of Gloucester. No flanged wheels with any version and more importantly it wasn't an effective solution to buy a set and just drop them in either, since the flangeless wheels had been mounted so far clear of the rail. I've had the main range version on order since the original announcement, but I'm afraid that the DoG has dampened my expectations, particularly with regard to the chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Edit - I have taken down my comment as a precaution, after taking adb968008's point below. I apologise for my flippant disclosure of some mere conjecture that I had heard. Mod - Feel free to edit subsequent posts in this thread that have quoted my original comment. CoY Edited July 29, 2014 by County of Yorkshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I've heard a rumour that all three versions of the P2 have been manufactured and have been sat in the factory waiting to be shipped, but that allegedly Hornby didn't have the available finance within its cash-flow with which to buy them from the manufacturer... One sincerely hopes that is not the case - but then nothing would surprise me at this point given the last four, nearly five years of manufacturing problems at Hornby. I do hope the P2 does well because we all want them to succeed. The P2 itself may yet prove to be a good model in its own right and better than DoG. Calmly await events I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) I must say, the moulded handrails in the TTS video are by far the best I've seen on any of the recent locomotives, I imagine that if I hadn't have been told, I wouldn't have noticed them in that video. It also seems to lack any size and/or proportion issues, unlike Duke of Gloucester's smokebox overang. I too hope it does Hornby some good, the hobby really does need them, and their closing down would send out a message that model railways are a thing of the past, seriously limiting the number of newcomers. Also, would we have had the Great Gathering if it weren't for their sponsorship? I know I certainly wouldn't have dusted off my slightly battered and worn Hornby Mallard and got myself back into the hobby, and the NRM wouldn't have got a boost that it's been needing for a while. I'd love to know the source of the rumor though, I do hope that the P2s have been manufactured and are in fact on there way here, they'll have to turn up the ship to warp 10 if they want the railroad version to be here before the end of July (I live in hope!). Edited July 28, 2014 by Ade the Pianist 4468 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The problem with rumours is that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy to the extent that people start to believe things which aren't true and then pass them off as fact ad infinitum. I just find it incredible that the P2s - which were reviewed by BRM in November last year - are nearly getting around to the point where the first review happens a year before the model is released. That's insane. Not a good business model at all, particularly given the hype in the run up to Christmas (I emphasise not of BRM's doing but where the P2 was used and has continued to be used in Hornby literature). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The rumours are inevitable when there are many delays. It's likely that production of P2s has been delayed by labour and production slot issues combined with transport, being usually over-optimistic these days. Hornby say they have sufficient funds, overdraft basically, and the bank will be wanting sales as much as Hornby, so any payment issues would be technical, not 'have no money' issues. What I find hard to reconcile is the movement of expected arrival dates which are only a sea voyage away. Are they on a boat or not? (same goes for Hattons/Heljan heavily-weathered Garratts, expected late July, and we have two days left!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted July 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2014 I was waiting for the email to arrive. Hattons have had the "on or after the 29th July" date up since at least the 8th July (when I got the last delivery information update...) and have stuck with it even though the Hornby Trade site has been saying "5th September" for R3171 since about the 22nd. (See post 834 by 87029). They DID change the proposed dates for R3207 and R3246TTS about then, but not R3171. I notice they're not even listing R3207 now! Hattons don't seem to keep an eye on these things, I suppose that they got jogged into action by a customer phoning over the weekend to ask when they could expect delivery..... I think you're quite right there, Hroth! They've had R3114 (B1 61270 in BR black with late crest) as available 'on or after Friday 9th May 2014' for several months now, and there's no sign of it! Well I suppose they're not wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 That kind of quote, about a publically listed company could shake the share price (if the market cared about Hornby).. The Hornby share price has been nose-diving for about two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I must say, the moulded handrails in the TTS video are by far the best I've seen on any of the recent locomotives, I imagine that if I hadn't have been told, I wouldn't have noticed them in that video. It also seems to lack any size and/or proportion issues, unlike Duke of Gloucester's smokebox overang. I too hope it does Hornby some good, the hobby really does need them, and their closing down would send out a message that model railways are a thing of the past, seriously limiting the number of newcomers. Also, would we have had the Great Gathering if it weren't for their sponsorship? I know I certainly wouldn't have dusted off my slightly battered and worn Hornby Mallard and got myself back into the hobby, and the NRM wouldn't have got a boost that it's been needing for a while. I'd love to know the source of the rumor though, I do hope that the P2s have been manufactured and are in fact on there way here, they'll have to turn up the ship to warp 10 if they want the railroad version to be here before the end of July (I live in hope!). Which part of my post do you disagree with adb968008? I said a few different things and I will amend my post if I have made an error. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) I just wanted to know if I had made some mistake about something, as I couldn't see anything in my post to disagree about. Had I said something like "the green is too dark" (I don't think that) and somebody had disagreed with that, that'd be fair enough. And as for your sentence, the knuckle coupling on the back of a corridor tender looks particularly painful. (Just kidding) Edited July 29, 2014 by Ade the Pianist 4468 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Just preordered the Bachmann C1 from the NRM, which will arrive first? Rhys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 The way things are I predict Santa will arrive before either loco with his Ltd edition OO Sleigh and reindeer set pre order now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2014 The way things are I predict Santa will arrive before either loco with his Ltd edition OO Sleigh and reindeer set pre order now I hope it's fitted with a realistic DCC sound chip! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted July 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2014 That's the one with the red light nose at the front! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 The sound functions include slurping milk, cookie munching and carrot chomping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The sound functions include slurping milk, cookie munching and carrot chomping! We always left a glass of sherry and mincepies out for santa. He must have come ,the sherry and mincepies would be gone by morning! Must try it this year. Might get the P2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 We always left a glass of sherry and mincepies out for santa. He must have come ,the sherry and mincepies would be gone by morning! Must try it this year. Might get the P2! Better go easy with the sherry. Otherwise folks might just wake up to find a P1 and a C2 beside the bed. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 31, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2014 The sound functions include slurping milk, cookie munching and carrot chomping! What about the " Ho Ho Ho Ho"? Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 What about the " Ho Ho Ho Ho"? Keith REALLY!!! I thought it was going to be 00 !?! :jester: (only joking btw)! Cheers, John E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 31, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2014 Well the end of July is here and none of the P2's are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2014 Well the end of July is here and none of the P2's are here. I see Hornby's website has been 'slightly amended' to say 'first to arrive' with no mention of a month. Presumably the models will have left China, or rather have left the factory, causing Hornby to add XX days to produce an arrival date in the UK. Alas from what i learnt recently this simple approach doesn't necessarily work unless you build in a very big margin for error allowing for, say, the container to be landed at Europort or Hamburg rather than in the UK because it was stowed low down on the ship or delays in customs or sorting out groupage consignments. It will no doubt turn up sooner or later. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted July 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2014 . It will no doubt turn up sooner or later. I think. Meanwhile the world will keep on turning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 31, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2014 I see Hornby's website has been 'slightly amended' to say 'first to arrive' with no mention of a month. Must have been after lunch today as it was still as original announcement then. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 All I can say is I have lost faith in Hornby as a brand BIG style over the pas18 month two year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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