Brassey Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Excuse my ignorance on these matters but I have a picture of Woofferton Junction in pre-grouping days with goods wagons on the main line but without a break van attached. The loco, if attached, would have been out of shot. I have assumed that the loco (and break van) were off somewhere else shunting. My question is, was it common practice to leave goods wagons on the main line when this occurred? The line in question is the Shrewsbury to Hereford and the train is on the main line not on the branch. Cheers. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Given a sufficient gap in traffic and as long as the line is suitably protected and the wagons firmly braked, there's no reason why not. I thought it was a very common practice as long as traffic allowed. We sometimes do it on Stainsby when I operate that, but you have to be fairly slick as by definition you've blocked the line and stopped trains running while you faff about in the yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Thanks. I assumed that was the case and the positioning of the turnouts on the layout i am proposing to build would suggest that's how it happened as I can't see any other way of shunting the small yard. Cheers. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2013 The sectional appendix will tell whats allowed - but allowed and therefore only that happened aren't always the same thing of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2013 Nothing at all wrong with leaving wagons like that in Station Limits - quite common in fact. Far more restricted was the matter of placing wagons outside (i.e in rear of) the Home Signal, especially where gradients were involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 A practise that still existed in 1983 (photo copied from the Northenden Cement terminal thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 A practise that still existed in 1983 (photo copied from the Northenden Cement terminal thread post-9992-0-98556800-1292970753_thumb.jpg But that train is presumably fully braked so wouldn't require a brake van in any case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Even non-fitted wagons had handbrakes which could be pinned down, and I doubt that it was allowable to rely on the air / vacuum brake not leaking off, even with a fully fitted train. It was a matter of pinning down a sufficient number of wagon hand brakes to ensure the detached wagons didn't wander off anywhere!. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I remember reading the incident report aboutnear disaster with doing this at honeybourne. loco had left wagons on main line, forgot them and replaced the token once they had the loco in the sidings, thus allowing the next box to launch an HST. que frantic phonecall to signal box and semaphore returned to danger . secondman thought signal went back a bit sharpish so told driver to stop.....wouldn't have been able to with a colour signal. Saved HST from running into wagons at 100 mph !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I remember reading the incident report aboutnear disaster with doing this at honeybourne. loco had left wagons on main line, forgot them and replaced the token once they had the loco in the sidings, thus allowing the next box to launch an HST. que frantic phonecall to signal box and semaphore returned to danger . secondman thought signal went back a bit sharpish so told driver to stop.....wouldn't have been able to with a colour signal. Saved HST from running into wagons at 100 mph !! Colour light signalling would not prevent this it is the tying in of track circuits to signalling that would prevent this! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2013 Colour light signalling would not prevent this it is the tying in of track circuits to signalling that would prevent this! Mark I suspect he means the arm returning to danger caught the second man's eye rather than anything more sophisticated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 yep, that's what I meant Beast. It was the use of semaphores that saved the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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