Guest Belgian Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 ISTR the 465s getting into major difficulties in their first snow 20+ years ago. Traction motor design seems to stumble a bit at times, with lessons from the past being unlearned. Is 'unlearned' a word like 'unrebuilt'?! (Sorry, Ian). JE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 Is 'unlearned' a word like 'unrebuilt'?! (Sorry, Ian). JE Oh no you're not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2013 If the common crossings are cast, i very much doubt if there is a foundry left trading in the uk to cast them. Gary They still cast at Sandiacre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2013 Just looked on the Manchester Evening News website and it is stating that a vital piece of trackwork has been damaged and could spell weeks of misery for passengers, does not sound good. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/several-trains-were-cancelled-after-1238797 Hi Simon, the damaged track is unrelated to this incident - it's near Salford Central. Previously mentioned in post#10 Cheers, Mick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Video here of the train passing through Piccadilly a minute or two before the incident. What is that ticking noise on 47 500 as it passes ?. http://twitpic.com/bxtgqc Brit15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87023Velocity Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Hi Simon, the damaged track is unrelated to this incident - it's near Salford Central. Previously mentioned in post#10 Cheers, Mick Hi Mick, All I can say is doh! Missed that bit. Cheers Simon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 Video here of the train passing through Piccadilly a minute or two before the incident. What is that ticking noise on 47 500 as it passes ?. http://twitpic.com/bxtgqc Brit15 spirex valve 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 Video here of the train passing through Piccadilly a minute or two before the incident. What is that ticking noise on 47 500 as it passes ?. http://twitpic.com/bxtgqc Brit15 Sounds like a wheel flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 nope definatly the spirex, a wheelflat would be a thud thud thud sound rather than a clicking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Sounds like a wheel flat. Given the disruption to services radiating north out of Manchester I bet WCRC and a lot of charter operators will hoping that isn't the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2013 spirex valve I agree with you on that Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thinking about it Jim, I have a clip somewhere of T&T 47s with the same noise from the back loco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 its more noticable as the rear loco isn't running, it tends to be drowned out a fair bit by engine noise normally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 What does a "spirex" valve do??? (FOr the un-informed masses please.) Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2013 What does a "spirex" valve do??? (FOr the un-informed masses please.) Kev. RMWeb is your friend! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/58133-spirax-valves/&do=findComment&comment=722386 Cheers, Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thanks newbryford, "I have just been caught out but the not seaching" bug! Ta, Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2013 good pics of the 2 rail cranes in operation recovering 47500 on wnxx http://www.wnxx.com/content/250113/47500recovery.htm 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I was going to ask are rail mounted cranes still used nowadays,answered my question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelW Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Video here of the train passing through Piccadilly a minute or two before the incident. What is that ticking noise on 47 500 as it passes ?. http://twitpic.com/bxtgqc Brit15 It's probably worth contacting the RAIB and letting them know that the footage exists... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 So is 47500 to be donated to MOSI?!!? :-) Well they did park it on the MOSI access line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2013 So is 47500 to be donated to MOSI?!!? :-) Well they did park it on the MOSI access line! They won't be able to do that soon if the current plans for the Ordsall chord go through.=, the proposal is for it to sever the link to avoid gradients. Jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 There certainly appears to be nothing amis in that Video, a locked or skidding wheelset would have been clearly audible, and in any case the train had not been traveling far enough for the wheels to wear double flanged, or a bearing to overheat and burn off. No sign of fire either, reinforcing the idea that the fire was a result of the derailemnt rather than prior to it. Perhaps they should have checked the Back to Backs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 A quick video filmed not by me at the crash sight! (sorry of this has been posted before) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahorse Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Northern Rail site reports that trains are running again. Well Done to a whole lot of people! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman1 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 yes it was quite a Challenge, 15:46 from Liverpool -Stalybridge was first over the affected section. I left at work at 18:30 and some normality was returning. Some delays will occur due to displaced traincrew. Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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