Allegheny1600 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Hi Jeff, I know how you feel old bean! After I gave up smoking last year, I went into a bit of a decline that I am only just coming out of, strange how withdrawal symptoms can affect you! Anyway, I got all the boards for "Windley" made and fitted late last year and haven't been able to motivate myself to do anything with them since then, I haven't touched the big test track layout mainly due to backache when fitting point motors and yet I keep dreaming up new projects including one based on the Cromford and high peak! Best get something small completed first, eh? Cheers, John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted June 3, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2015 To an extent, I think the way I approach modelling helps as I never get hung up on one task. Ongoing projects at the moment include the list from before, the Brassmasters detailing of a Black Five (progressing pretty well now), wagon kits at various stages of completion (including replacing the plastic tie bars with brass angle section), painting & weathering kits, buildings, walls, etc. and when I get round to it, finishing off the Phoenix LMS push pull coach I have been working on sporadically for nearly a year now. I do get bored of repetitive tasks so break them up with something different and usually more enjoyable. I think I am a bit butterfly minded when it comes to modelling. The other week, with far too much outstanding on The Mill, I spent a morning soldering up etched brass brake gear, chemically blackening it and aralditing it to a Hornby Stanier brakevan (EM spacing and all but hidden by the footboards and axle boxes/guards). Not for The Mill, not for Bacup but for some future project, probably the one before I embark on Sandside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jason, you've enough "future and ongoing projects" in your current modelling room to keep you going for years. Being a daddy aside, imagine what it'll be like in the NEW set-up! You won't know what to do with yourself!! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted June 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 4, 2015 I think Jason's point is very true. I have several different things on the go and sometimes just do something I want to even though it may not be for the current project. One of the problems with a thread, although I have to say first that I have received so much help, information and advice it has changed what I am doing and added to it enormously, is that it can produce a pressure to do things to keep those who are following the thread happy and show some progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I think Jason's point is very true. I have several different things on the go and sometimes just do something I want to even though it may not be for the current project. One of the problems with a thread, although I have to say first that I have received so much help, information and advice it has changed what I am doing and added to it enormously, is that it can produce a pressure to do things to keep those who are following the thread happy and show some progress. Hi Chris, I think this was one of the problems I found with Bitton, I wanted to change it / Scrap it fairly early on, but there was so much enthusiasm from all around the Web that I felt obliged to carry on, even though I knew in my heart of hearts that I wasn't enjoying it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 4, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 4, 2015 Hi Chris, I think this was one of the problems I found with Bitton, I wanted to change it / Scrap it fairly early on, but there was so much enthusiasm from all around the Web that I felt obliged to carry on, even though I knew in my heart of hearts that I wasn't enjoying it. I remember discussing this issue after a year or so of KL. If I couldn't put something new on the thread every day to keep the punters happy, and if I was "only" getting 200 views a day, I used to worry. Then I stepped back and thought "sod it, what the hell?!!" I could see you suffering the same thing with Bitton, Andy, and you did the right thing, irrespective of what anybody else thought. So, like Jason, Chris and others, once progress re-starts, the KL2 thread will get occasional updates, not 10 every day! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sasquatch Posted June 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 4, 2015 To an extent, I think the way I approach modelling helps as I never get hung up on one task. Ongoing projects at the moment include.... I do get bored of repetitive tasks so break them up with something different and usually more enjoyable. I think I am a bit butterfly minded when it comes to modelling. The other week, with far too much outstanding on The Mill, I spent a morning soldering up etched brass brake gear, chemically blackening it and aralditing it to a Hornby Stanier brakevan (EM spacing and all but hidden by the footboards and axle boxes/guards). Not for The Mill, not for Bacup but for some future project, probably the one before I embark on Sandside. It's a hobby so should be enjoyable and relaxing! Hi Chris, I think this was one of the problems I found with Bitton, I wanted to change it / Scrap it fairly early on, but there was so much enthusiasm from all around the Web that I felt obliged to carry on, even though I knew in my heart of hearts that I wasn't enjoying it. ... joking aside, you were admired for admitting that. I remember discussing this issue after a year or so of KL. If I couldn't put something new on the thread every day to keep the punters happy, and if I was "only" getting 200 views a day, I used to worry. Then I stepped back and thought "sod it, what the hell?!!" I could see you suffering the same thing with Bitton, Andy, and you did the right thing, irrespective of what anybody else thought. Jeff Most of you know that I've far too many projects on the go at once but at the end of the day its all part of the same railway and if someone on here doesn't like what I contribute to the forum they don't have to follow it. Nothing's going to stop me having fun and I sure as hell don't give a monkeys what anyone thinks. It is really nice having some pals with likewise interests though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2015 Hello Lunesters... I have a question that's been puzzling me that I'm sure the expertise on here will be able to answer... I'm wanting to check the wheel gauge on all of my rolling stock to avoid spurious problems that may develop during running, never having done this before. So I know I need a back to back gauge. But now I find the snag. What do I pick? The first question is whether I go for 14.5mm (standard OO that is described as being right for RTR stock with tension lock couplings) or 14.8mm (OO finescale that is described as being right for kit-built stock with 3-link couplings)? I have a mix of RTR and kit built stock with Kadee couplings at the ends of rakes (or single wagons if they are used singly) with a variety of couplings (currently no 3-link, but there may well be) in the middle of the rakes. Ah... and I'm running on Peco code 75 track. Once I have the measurement the second question is: Are all back-to-back gauges of the same dimension the same? This question is because the costs vary from £15 for DCC Concepts through £9 for PCP4, and £6.50 for Markits, down to about £5 for 51L (and some of these available cheaper second hand on eBay). Normally you get what you pay for, but if they're milled brass and the correct measurement what do I get for the extra money? Are the cheaper ones less accurate? Any and all advice/comments welcome. Kind regards, Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 Either width will do for Peco track, as it has generous tolerances although if you are thinking of going down the handbuilt route in the future, I would go for the 14.5 one so you can build to OO FS standards. As for which one to go for, the DCC Concepts one sounds damned expensive unless it does something fancy that the others don't. I say get the EM one though, and chuck the narrow gauge track in the bin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I remember discussing this issue after a year or so of KL. If I couldn't put something new on the thread every day to keep the punters happy, and if I was "only" getting 200 views a day, I used to worry. Then I stepped back and thought "sod it, what the hell?!!" I could see you suffering the same thing with Bitton, Andy, and you did the right thing, irrespective of what anybody else thought. So, like Jason, Chris and others, once progress re-starts, the KL2 thread will get occasional updates, not 10 every day! Jeff Your right Jeff, I used to check in to see Bitton viewings almost by the hour, and I WAS obsessed with it, and the aim was at least a page a day in posts, now if you asked me about Whittaker St, I haven't a clue about the number of posts or viewings. And as for postings, well I do have some pics from yesterday to go on but there's no hurry as its only me testing stock, so its really only a Blue Box shuffling a Brown Box over Silver Steel Bars. Still cant wait to see KL2.5 AND A QUARTER rise from the floor like a giant from the deep, (what the ek am I rambling on about now? It must be the heat, or the fact that I got my shorts on at last). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 5, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 Either width will do for Peco track, as it has generous tolerances although if you are thinking of going down the handbuilt route in the future, I would go for the 14.5 one so you can build to OO FS standards. As for which one to go for, the DCC Concepts one sounds damned expensive unless it does something fancy that the others don't. I say get the EM one though, and chuck the narrow gauge track in the bin EM - wait a minute (sorry!!)... Jason, if Neil says 14.8mm is for 00-FS, did you mean to write that he should get the 14.8 one? Just checking as I know bu99er all about these things. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2015 Either width will do for Peco track, as it has generous tolerances although if you are thinking of going down the handbuilt route in the future, I would go for the 14.5 one so you can build to OO FS standards. As for which one to go for, the DCC Concepts one sounds damned expensive unless it does something fancy that the others don't. I say get the EM one though, and chuck the narrow gauge track in the bin Thanks for the input Jason. I do think the DCC one looks very expensive and appears actually less flexible than for example the Markits one that has a cut-out to clear gears if where they are in the way. Somehow I was expecting the last sentence from you. While I do want to look at handbuilt in the near future (so I take your point re OO SF) and EM in the further future I am sticking with the "narrow gauge track" for the moment... unless I see you rebuilding Bacup in EM first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 5, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 Your right Jeff, I used to check in to see Bitton viewings almost by the hour, and I WAS obsessed with it, and the aim was at least a page a day in posts, now if you asked me about Whittaker St, I haven't a clue about the number of posts or viewings. And as for postings, well I do have some pics from yesterday to go on but there's no hurry as its only me testing stock, so its really only a Blue Box shuffling a Brown Box over Silver Steel Bars. Still cant wait to see KL2.5 AND A QUARTER rise from the floor like a giant from the deep, (what the ek am I rambling on about now? It must be the heat, or the fact that I got my shorts on at last). Me too with KL, Andy. Obsessed is an apt description. Now I couldn't care less. KL2 is getting about 100 views a week - does it matter? No. When I start working on it, does the number of views matter? No. I've been in the bunker today, having a look around for more stuff I can junk. Hopefully I'll make some progress over the next 3-4 days and then start putting the tiles down. You know, the ones I bought 5 WEEKS ago!! Haha..... Jeff ps. Will pop over to Whittaker Street and count your posts for you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2015 EM - wait a minute (sorry!!)... Jason, if Neil says 14.8mm is for 00-FS, did you mean to write that he should get the 14.8 one? Just checking as I know bu99er all about these things. Jeff Hi Jeff. Jason had it right here, as the description for the 14.8 was for finescale modelling in OO, not OO-FS which is 16.2 mm gauge as opposed to 16.5 mm of OO. I confused it by referring to OO finescale (but my excuse is that is what the DCC Concepts site described it as!) Edit to say I'm ignoring further suggestions to go EM for now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeeleyBridge Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 14.5mm for RTR OO / OO-SF back to back. Marcway's lump of machined brass (with cut outs for gears) is £8.99. I bought one last week, I collected so no idea on the postage & packing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 All I will say is, next time you build a wagon kit, gauge the brakes out to EM Gauge and pop a set of EM wheels in and then look at it next to one with OO wheels in. It took me too long to see the light but I dearly wish I had before building the track for Bacup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 All I will say is, next time you build a wagon kit, gauge the brakes out to EM Gauge and pop a set of EM wheels in and then look at it next to one with OO wheels in. It took me too long to see the light but I dearly wish I had before building the track for Bacup. Changing Bacup's easy peasy mate, just RIP OUT one rail, re solder it further out and the jobs done, start before work on Monday and by Friday you'll have Trains running again in IKB's finest Broad Gauge. hahhahhahhhh :no: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeeleyBridge Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 It's the batch conversions of locos (not the tin box kind) that grinds you down and has you heading back to train sets. Got the T-shirt. Edited to add : That reply may have been a bit terse, I had to go and do stuff (grrr I don't want to be a grown up anymore). When I was younger I had the energy and enthusiasm to attempt to follow my quest for perfection. So I started (with encouragement from like minded friends) to go "scale". I joined THE society, bought the tools and components from the stores, built the track, built the compensated wagons. Then I finally got my first loco converted. It looked good. Everything measured up properly (micrometers, not callipers). The thing was rubbish, ran like a reliant regal on ice (had one of those too ). My problem was as I said above, my quest for perfection. I couldn't be happy with it. I think in the end the same thing came to me as dawned on Andy, you have to be happy with what you're doing. Dead scale really appeals to me still, but it's just too stressful, EM not much less. Achieving "Bacup" or Greenfield" would more than satisfy me and I have a chance of achieving that before the eyesight and dexterity desert me completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 In time they will all be converted anyway; I already have a couple of conversion kits and chassis waiting in the wings although some may get sold on as I am growing more interested in the earlier BR period when there were more pre-grouping survivors around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 What a lot of it is with me is wanting to push myself and learn new skills, as well as trying to achieve something closer to scale. Not only that but the majority of modellers I socialise with (at Shipley MRS, Chris, Paul Wordsell Forever, Tim Easter, the Stafford lot and at exhibitions the Rochdale guys) in the main model in EM and the layouts I tend to get to operate at exhibitions (BCB, New Hey, Greyscroft Mine when Paul thrusts a controller into my hand) are all EM too. P4 would be a step too far (my modelling is not accurate enough) but I do find myself looking at Bacup and noticing the width of the track and the way locos look a bit odd with their wheels too close together (it stands out when I place my OO and EM Black Fives next to each other). I hope the above doesn't come across as snobby because I do not think that a layout has to have close to scale track to be good, it is just where my interests are heading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 P.s. If all the buildings for your layout are up to the high standard set by the one you posted above then chances are it will out-surpass Bacup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted June 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 Me again, making up for a lack of posting recently. When Jeff first mentioned splitting the Lounge into two distinct areas, I have to say I was a bit dubious but I think it is working really well, especially now (for some unfathomable reason ) people have returned and are discussing modelling in here and all kinds of weird crap in the other place. It's great because it is somewhere to talk about modelling that doesn't really fit in individual layout threads. So thanks Jeff, you 'barstard'. I do miss the jigsaws though (Little in-joke there, sorry folks) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeeleyBridge Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 You keep at it mate, I'll enjoy seeing the results, now sir step away from the keyboard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 J's right about this Lounge, its certainly come alive again, and with some interesting discussions and thoughts. I'd like the idea of seeing Bacup in EM, and its a real shame for me that our Club is still set in the dark ages, (I expect Peter (BB) will be on later to contradict that, but we have one modeller in particular that still insist on BANGING 1 inch nails into the centre of Peco sleepers to fix track. I have tried to say, use fine wire pins on the outside and then remove them after ballasting, but to no avail. Our N Gauge Old Boy is doing a model of the Dartmoor branch in 12ft x 2ft, it has all the Stations on the Branch so a Station about every 2ft in a snaking ''S'' formation and rising about 3 inches from one end to the Terminus. The backscene consists of a series of PURPLE photos of various locations along the line, and they DONT match up either. Never mind, at least there enjoying their hobby in there own way, good job were not all the same, now where that pic of a RTR Bulleid that I photographed earlier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 5, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2015 Me again, making up for a lack of posting recently. When Jeff first mentioned splitting the Lounge into two distinct areas, I have to say I was a bit dubious but I think it is working really well, especially now (for some unfathomable reason ) people have returned and are discussing modelling in here and all kinds of weird crap in the other place. It's great because it is somewhere to talk about modelling that doesn't really fit in individual layout threads. So thanks Jeff, you 'barstard'. I do miss the jigsaws though (Little in-joke there, sorry folks) Ooooh Jason, yer little blighter..... Lots of coded messages in there, sunshine! Thanks for the support. I think both Lounges are working very well - and the modelling dynamic of this one is excellent. Great discussion! As for the "weird crap" in the Asylum - one of these days you'll understand it!!!! From your "baRRstard mate" Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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