Ruffnut Thorston Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Does anybody do wheels for Caledonian 123? Wikiperdia says the driver is 7ft. The only wheels I can see that size are for 4-4-0s, and have holes for connecting rods. Hi. The Tri-ang "Single" wheels and axles are common between the 123, and the Lord of The Isles. Both the Driving Wheels and the trailing wheels are "pick up" wheels, and one each needs to be fitted with a plastic insulating bush. These are in "black" finish for the LoTI, and Blue finish for 123. Later editions have plated wheel tyres. The one I have seen fit on the older pattern axles, S.2000 with splines for the driving gear, and S.2001 plain for the trailing wheels. Both types have splines at the ends for fitting the wheels. The bogie wheels are more readily available as they are the same type as used by the R.350 L1 4-4-0, and the R.759 "Hall" 4-6-0 front bogies, except 123's wheels had the centres painted blue... Have a good Christmas. Edited December 24, 2014 by Sarahagain 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo C. Cupier Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Just one of the Caley singles on the shelf at WHSmiths in Trowbridge this afternoon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Hi. The Tri-ang "Single" wheels and axles are common between the 123, and the Lord of The Isles. Both the Driving Wheels and the trailing wheels are "pick up" wheels, and one each needs to be fitted with a plastic inslating bush. These are in "black" finish for the LoTI, and Blue finish for 123. Later editions have plated wheel tyres. The one I have seen fit on the older pattern axles, S.2000 with splines for the driving gear, and S.2001 plain for the trailing wheels. Both types have splines at the ends for fitting the wheels. The bogie wheels are more readily available as they are the same type as used by the R.350 L1 4-4-0, and the R.759 "Hall" 4-6-0 front bogies, except 123's wheels had the centres painted blue... Have a good Christmas. They are indeed the same wheels, but were designed for the 'Dean Single' and are too large for the 'Caley' (which is why her splashers are generously dimensioned). Against this, they will fit, as the GBL model is a copy of the Tri-ang one and they are quite easy to find on eBay. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-X9651-4-2-2-Dean-Single-Driving-Wheel-Trailing-Wheel-Set-/310853263388 No connection with the seller beyond being a client, they were the first to appear in the search. (Might even get a set for my LoI.) Otherwise some careful surgery on a set of Markits 7 foot wheels to remove the crank is a possibility. The mazak centre should stand the strain and a spot of plastic metal filler will complete the job. It won't be all that conspicuous partly hidden by the running plate valence and splasher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted December 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) You don't have to go through ebay to buy from peters spares, you can buy direct through their website. Thanks to recent production runs there are plenty of spares for the Lord of the Isles loco, these can also be used to motorise (or just detail) the caley 123. Edited December 24, 2014 by Nile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) SWMBO found several 'Caley Singles' at Asda this morning, so Santa will be bringing me the best one tomorrow. Edited December 24, 2014 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawk Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I managed to pick up the last one in Eastleigh this afternoon. I could see why it had remained on the shelf - a lot of chipped / missing blue paint patches on the tender. I am sure it won't be too difficult to find a match and touch it up. Felt it was better to have the bird in the hand though! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Has anyone had a delivery today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted December 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2014 No post today, my 123 came from Asda. I've put it next to my Triang one for comparison. I've cut the front bit off of the Triang tender to reduce the gap, it still couples in the same way. The same mod should work with the GBL model. The GBL model appears to have a separate dome, its finish is different to the boiler 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawk Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 If it helps, tender transfers do turn up, saw some at the last ToyFair (along with the numbers) so if you can grab some, it may be an even easier job. Think they were only a quid for the pack. Thanks for the tip. I'll look out for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Got 2 from my local shop today 3 jobs to do to it to improve it is repainting the silver bits, add better coal to the tender and paint the inside of the cab. Other than that can't see much wrong with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Cheaper than Peters Spares (look at the postage) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/X9651-Hornby-Spare-Loco-Drive-Wheel-Set-for-Dean-Single-/310674569091?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4855a5b783 Have used this supplier and they are invariably ££ cheaper than Peters Spares Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 picked up the only example in Asda Reading today for my godson perfect condition no blemishes. Result 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Cheaper than Peters Spares (look at the postage) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/X9651-Hornby-Spare-Loco-Drive-Wheel-Set-for-Dean-Single-/310674569091?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4855a5b783 Have used this supplier and they are invariably ££ cheaper than Peters Spares I would agree on this, having bought from both in the past. As I said before it was only the first to come up in a search (Google). another suppliers are available. Edited December 24, 2014 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted December 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2014 This has to be the easiest GBL to take apart so far, 6 screws and it's apart, no annoying glue in the way. The dome and safety valve cover are of blue plastic, the body black plastic. Replacing the coal will be easy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith George Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Does anybody do wheels for Caledonian 123? Wikiperdia says the driver is 7ft. The only wheels I can see that size are for 4-4-0s, and have holes for connecting rods. If the driver is 7ft how tall is the fireman. ? Keith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Santa brought my '123'. She seems well finished, apart from a bit of silver missing from a wheel tyre on one side (never mind - it had to go anyway!). There are several signs of her Tri-ang origins that need attention too and some frame extensions to fill the void above the front bogie. But all in all a nice addition to the stud at a bargain price*. I wonder if it is possible to transplant some driving wheels from one of my T9s - luckily the cranks are above centre on these, so can be hidden behind the splashers. I'd have to mix some blue paint, but Vallejo 'Prussian Blue will be a good start. * Perhaps a small diorama with her visiting on an 'Enthusiast's Special' along with 'City of Truro' and/or a T9 and a Tri-ang C.R. coach. (It would save three motorisations!). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I've noticed the 'C' & 'R' are out of line on my tender. Only slightly or I would have seen it at once. It looks like I shall have to look for some Caledonian transfers. Drat and double drat! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) Earlier pictures of the GBL one dismantled makes it look easy to motorise. Expect to pay more for old chassis perhaps? **(Goes off to check if I still have a Dean Single chassis in the scrapbox...) Edited December 26, 2014 by 298 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Sorry to hear about your fair. We have had a new one start at Dartford in November. It was quite small, but I did pick up a few bargains! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 My subscription copies of the caley single and the v2 have just arrived 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Brit70053 Posted December 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2014 Hope Smiffy2 gets his two too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted December 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2014 Must say I'm looking forward to see what can be done with issue 24, the peak diesel, but spare chassis are likes hens teeth. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Just having a look at my GBL Caley 123 and a very random thought struck me. A few people have questioned where one could get a main driving wheel set from, the bogie and trailing sets wouldn't be a great problem but looking at the drivers there quite a nice casting with crisp spoke and weight details and the flanges don't look to big. If the wheels were cut away from there metal frame would it be possible if they could be centered well enough to drill them out to except say an insulated bushed Hornby axle after all on the Triang/ Hornby one the pick ups are on the pony and rear wheels only. Fitting pin point bearings to the tender looks easy enough and a simple chassis for the loco should be quite do able. Any one else thought this? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 The original 'Single' pickup was Tri-ang's piece of bent wire designed to hook round a a peg under the loco and stay in place by spring pressure alone. Replacements are available on eBay (for about what the whole locomotive cost originally). GBL's wheels are quite fine on this model so there might be track holding problems. I assume they are made of mazak, which is not all that ideal for pickup (but quite good at collecting muck!), It would be best to buy the Hornby wheels IMHO. It might be possible to make the bogie functional and fit wheels to the inside frame of the tender. Romford/Markits would be my choice here, but other makes are available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Evening folks, Two left in WHS Clacton on Sea late this afternoon if it helps anyone - mine was OK! Kind regards, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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