english electric Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 talk on the rail forums sees 66048 in trouble 66048 & 2 wagons have rolled down an embankment near Carrbridge (between Aviemore & Inverness) on 4N47 Mossend to Inverness first DB Schenker Stobart intermodal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Craig Watson Posted January 4, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8440298.stm Northern Constabulary and emergency services have been called to deal with a freight train derailment at Carrbridge train station. The incident happened shortly after 1605 GMT. The freight train had two people on board. One sustained minor injuries and was treated at the scene. British Transport Police said it expected that there would be disruption to rail services and possibly to roads for emergency service vehicles. Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 4, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2010 http://news.stv.tv/scotland/highlands-islands/147981-train-derails-in-highlands/ Includes photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_R Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Ouch. Hope all involved are ok. That's not going to go down well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 4, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2010 Nasty looking mess: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roybrown/ Glad to hear that train crew are all ok though. Lucky escape, the crash impact resistance built into the 66's cabs must be better than was the case on 47's etc. Am I imagining it or are some of those containers sitting on the line next to the wagons they are supposed to be on? Snow looks really terrible, us Southerners complain about a few flakes, they should take a look at this lot and be thankful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Yeah they seem to have unloaded themselves in the process, it does end up looking a bit wierd but i'd guess the platform face has kept it and the wagon facing the same way, they obviously hit the ground moving as they have "snowploughed" themselves up a big pile of the white stuff on the way! Glad the crew are okay, it all looks a bit of a mess up there! Somewhat bad luck for day 1 of a new contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noiseboy72 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I don't believe that the containers are fixed to the wagons. They are located with "dimples" but not the twist lock used on road trailers. A good bump and off they pop. Without getting into speculation any idea on the cause ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60maniac Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 If its not already been mentioned it was brake failure and TPWS failure due to frozen relays and no snow clearing made train hit snow go up in air and shoot down the hill probably destroyed the deflector and bent a frame in side could be a right of who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 You're correct they are FKA wagons that use spigots not twistlocks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie reffin Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 All this as fact while it's still in the hedge. Who needs the RAIB? Quite right Jamie. What exactly is the basis for the previous posters information? There would have been a number of other lighter trains over this piece of track today including the 37 on plough duties and none of them "went up in the air" Thoughts go to the crew involved and the Emergency crews trying to deal with this in the awful conditions we have been having over the past 2 weeks. Eddie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Craig Watson Posted January 4, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2010 Quite right Jamie. What exactly is the basis for the previous posters information? There would have been a number of other lighter trains over this piece of track today including the 37 on plough duties and none of them "went up in the air" Thoughts go to the crew involved and the Emergency crews trying to deal with this in the awful conditions we have been having over the past 2 weeks. Eddie Well said Eddie. I'm heading up there in the morning with our (Network Rail's) incident command unit from Motherwell, hopefully it'll be an ok drive up the A9, had originally been primed to go up leaving at 2am but it later changed to 9am. Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Finger trouble explains my lost post, apols. Good luck to Craig in the snow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiles Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 First of all good to hear the crew are ok, always the number one consideration. Must have been quite a ride! Working in the container/freight industry I'm amazed that any design of wagon has a "non-active" container securing method. In most cases a twistlock will hold a container/swopbody onto a wagon, unlike here! Hope 66048 is repairable, although not the greatest fan of 66s, it's always sad to hear of a loco being written off. Shame too about all the work that went into the re-livery. Photos of 66048 pre-acccident in the Stobart livery will be reasonably rare? Much in the similar vein to the unfortunate FL 66 (66521 I think from memory. Anthony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 There was an investigation into spigots after the cases of containers blowing off wagons a couple of years ago. It concluded that some of them were not properly set up and if used correctly they would restrain all the normal forces of riding on a wagon. However they can't be expected to restrain the container in a derailment situation (nor can a spigot) and in fact it probably minimises damage if the containers jump off rather than creating excessive forces around the fixings. As to the loco, should it be renamed "Eddie the Eagle Edwards"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Given that there's 60' long intermodal platforms, assorted wheelsets, bogies etc flying about the place, all of which are more solidly built than containers, a few loose boxes probably aren't the worst thing in this incident... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 My thoughts are going out to the recovery crews, looks like they've got a few tough days in front of them clearing the job up. Stay warm where you can, guys! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 5, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2010 Nice to hear the Crew were ok A short video of the aftermath of the Carrbridge derailment. This now appears to work again http://www.roybrown....eo/P1030735.MOV There was an instruction for that hill that they have to do a 10mph reduction in speed, to test brakes, every 3 -4 minutes after a Sprinter did the same 15 or so years ago. We heard they were following the snowplough so the track would have been clear. It derailed on the catch point protecting the station as it slid past the signal at danger. edit added 6-1-10 The instruction for the hill was in place in the 1990's confirmed by a member of rail staff who used the document concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_R Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 It's just neeb on C4 news. Properly down the embankment in the tress. It's gonna take some recovering. I can't see them trying too hard until the weather eases at least. Does that mean the 'Tesco Express' will be cancelled for now or will DBS just chuck another loco on it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 It's just neeb on C4 news. Properly down the embankment in the tress. It's gonna take some recovering. I can't see them trying too hard until the weather eases at least. Does that mean the 'Tesco Express' will be cancelled for now or will DBS just chuck another loco on it? You don't just cancel the whole service because you've lost one loco! More important constraints would be the availability of wagons and containers, and alternative routing for the service. I do wonder if DBS are going to be bringing back any of the 66s they sent to ECR- I say this as I saw about ten of them laid up at Frethun on my waay to work a couple of days ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Craig Watson Posted January 5, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2010 You don't just cancel the whole service because you've lost one loco! More important constraints would be the availability of wagons and containers, and alternative routing for the service. I do wonder if DBS are going to be bringing back any of the 66s they sent to ECR- I say this as I saw about ten of them laid up at Frethun on my waay to work a couple of days ago. The alternative route for the service is via Aberdeen but it's blocked tonight too! As this also affects the sleepers Scotrail are using the Inverness sleeper stock as a temporary hotel in Inverness station tonight as the A9 road is also now closed! On my way up and back down from Carrbridge today I passed around 10 lorries with the Stobart Rail containers on the back. Cheers Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_R Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I was thinking the wagons rather than the loco. I know DBS have plenty of spares, like a few dozen tugs for starters but aren't the wagons in a fixed rake and dedicated to this flow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 It's probably best not to comment further on the cause of the accident until the RAIB have made their report. This is common practice on other rail websites and prevents wild speculation, especially where a criminal prosecution could happen! I'm glad to hear the crew are ok. I can't see Stobart throwing in the contract, after all, they don't do so when one of their lorries has a prang. They sign the contract for a fixed period, so to chuck it in would probably cost them for said breach! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
english electric Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 heres a itv news link what was posted on youtube in regards to this the recovery for this well 2 trains seen going north through carlisle one contained recovery crain n support coaches and the other was another recovery train for this accident i read on the yahoo forums im signed up with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Don't envy them the job of rescuing that lot. Just getting to it is going to be a nightmare. Well done to Craig just for managing to get there and back. Even without the horrible conditions, it's gonna be a big job to get the loco out of that predicament, never mind trying to sort the track under all that snow and ice. Guess the line via Aberdeen (if passable!) is going to be a bit busier for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 but aren't the wagons in a fixed rake and dedicated to this flow? Given it was day 1 of them being on the flow, words like "fixed" and "dedicated" are probably a bit quick off the mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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