dasatcopthorne Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Right, Colin. Your starter for ten, as they say. Including two differing cab roofs. Seem to remember I have a few more somewhere (where I walked along the roofs while shooting). Dave 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Surely another 400 or sowouldn't be too much bother? Imagine the satisfaction, Swann Morton will or should give one hell of a discount to you! I like the toothpaste tip too with superglue issue. Ian Oh very funny Clive. Q; Do you know how many windows there are in 2 x 4 SUB? A: I make it approx. 440 - depending on the units involved! Off to buy more knife blades... Colin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) Right, Colin. Your starter for ten, as they say. Wow, this hobby would be nowhere without people like Dave - this is really good stuff, many thanks. Just one little detail to observe - along the bottom edge of the bodysides between the door openings, you can see that a capping strip has been fitted. (most prominent between the driver's and guard's door in the last pic) These were fitted at overhaul to cover corrosion and virtually all vehicles had them - not seen those modelled so far... Just out of interest Dave, you don't happen to have a similar set for a prototype 4Cep do you...??? Best wishes, Edited September 1, 2013 by HAB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Many thanks for those photos Dave! As Howard says, where would we be without people like you. I am minded to make a model with the roof arrangement as shown in your last picture (of 4299) even thought the self-ventilated motor version of the 4 SUB has those interesting cowls. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Wow, this hobby would be nowhere without people like Dave - this is really good stuff, many thanks. Just one little detail to observe - along the bottom edge of the bodysides between the door openings, you can see that a capping strip has been fitted. (most prominent between the driver's and guard's door in the last pic) These were fitted at overhaul to cover corrosion and virtually all vehicles had them - not seen those modelled so far... Just out of interest Dave, you don't happen to have a similar set for a prototype 4Cep do you...??? Best wishes, Hi Howard, Re. those repair strips, I am going to give it a go. They will have to be very thin though. I had thought of applying strips of cigarette paper to represent them. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermoth Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) On 01/09/2013 at 10:26, Colin parks said: Hi Howard, Re. those repair strips, I am going to give it a go. They will have to be very thin though. I had thought of applying strips of cigarette paper to represent them. All the best, Colin and what about the clear thin plastic sheet you find in A4 document holders ? Edited December 21, 2020 by Tigermoth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Many thanks for those photos Dave! As Howard says, where would we be without people like you. I am minded to make a model with the roof arrangement as shown in your last picture (of 4299) even thought the self-ventilated motor version of the 4 SUB has those interesting cowls. All the best, Colin I've got the measurements for those cowls if you need them. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Wow, this hobby would be nowhere without people like Dave - this is really good stuff, many thanks. Just out of interest Dave, you don't happen to have a similar set for a prototype 4Cep do you...??? Best wishes, You're asking a lot aren't you? Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Right, Colin. Your starter for ten, as they say. Including two differing cab roofs. Seem to remember I have a few more somewhere (where I walked along the roofs while shooting). Dave 4680-1.jpg 4680-2.jpg 4680-3.jpg 4680-4.jpg 4Sub-5.jpg 4Sub-6.jpg Mmm. different roofs eh Dave? But can you explain the two different designs of trussing as seen on those trailer coaches?! I had long suspected that some 4 SUB trailers had what might be termed the 'long form' while others have trussing identical to the motor coaches. The only explanation I can think of is that reclaimed 62ft chassis used on some 4 SUB units had one kind (or both) and the newly made chassis were of the long sort - or the short - or both! Oh dear, this was all mean to be a simple model to make..... All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 You're asking a lot aren't you? Dave ... don't ask, you don't get! But now I'm happy - if you don't have any pics then no one will be able to prove my guesstimate wrong Best wishes, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 ..and what about the clear thin plastic sheet you find in A4 document holders ? Hi Tigermoth, Thanks for the suggestion, but it doubt that material would stick to styrene plastic and it would be too thick as well! (We're talking sub - 5 thou. here.) All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 I've got the measurements for those cowls if you need them. Dave Oh go on then! You never know, they might come in useful Dave! All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 ... don't ask, you don't get! But now I'm happy - if you don't have any pics then no one will be able to prove my guesstimate wrong Best wishes, Hi Howard, I'm intrigued. Guesstimate of what?! Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Mmm. different roofs eh Dave? But can you explain the two different designs of trussing as seen on those trailer coaches?! I had long suspected that some 4 SUB trailers had what might be termed the 'long form' while others have trussing identical to the motor coaches. The only explanation I can think of is that reclaimed 62ft chassis used on some 4 SUB units had one kind (or both) and the newly made chassis were of the long sort - or the short - or both! Oh dear, this was all mean to be a simple model to make..... All the best, Colin Never noticed that before now. There again, I've never made a 4Sub so not particularly looked at trailer trussing. I'll go to my measurements and have a look. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 ... don't ask, you don't get! But now I'm happy - if you don't have any pics then no one will be able to prove my guesstimate wrong Best wishes, Hold your horses there. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Not that I have attempted it, but have considered maybe using a good quality "invisible" tape. If laid evenly and given a rub once primed it should give a bond that should last as long as the plasticard? Ian Hi Tigermoth, Thanks for the suggestion, but it doubt that material would stick to styrene plastic and it would be too thick as well! (We're talking sub - 5 thou. here.) All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Wow, this hobby would be nowhere without people like Dave - this is really good stuff, many thanks. Just one little detail to observe - along the bottom edge of the bodysides between the door openings, you can see that a capping strip has been fitted. (most prominent between the driver's and guard's door in the last pic) These were fitted at overhaul to cover corrosion and virtually all vehicles had them - not seen those modelled so far... Just out of interest Dave, you don't happen to have a similar set for a prototype 4Cep do you...??? Best wishes, Re :- capping strips. I've tried to represent them on these (rather battered), Lam Models' Bulleid BCK, plasticard sides, by scribing a line approx 1mm. above the bottom edge. The vertical beading and horizontally, along the waist, covering the panel joints was done using 0.5mm. wide strips of brown, self-adhesive, parcel tape. Oops, I've just noticed it's the wrong roof !. By the way,the torpedo vents are from ABS. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 ... don't ask, you don't get! But now I'm happy - if you don't have any pics then no one will be able to prove my guesstimate wrong Best wishes, Here's a few. I've had to photoshop a bit to bring out the details. Dave 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Blimey!! Didn't dream those pages were still there. Terrible photos. Dave Terrible models compared with yours! Dave Now that throws up the dilemma I had with this statement and now Olddudders has done what I was disinclined to do: If I hit the disagree button, does it count as a 'black mark' against you?! I've looked at those pictures of your models and disagree with what you said about them being terrible! You are far too modest Dave! Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermoth Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Hi Tigermoth, Thanks for the suggestion, but it doubt that material would stick to styrene plastic and it would be too thick as well! (We're talking sub - 5 thou. here.) All the best, Colin Yes it's actually 4 thou or .1 mm, to glue just a quick emery to take the sheen off and away you go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Never noticed that before now. There again, I've never made a 4Sub so not particularly looked at trailer trussing. I'll go to my measurements and have a look. Dave Hi Dave, I am guessing that the centres of the vertical posts on the 'wider form' of trussing is about 12' 0" and the narrower version is as per the drawings, at 8' 3" centres. All the best, Colin Yes it's actually 4 thou or .1 mm, to glue just a quick emery to take the sheen off and away you go. Hi Tigermoth, Er, I don't do glue! All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Re :- capping strips. I've tried to represent them on these (rather battered), Lam Models' Bulleid BCK, plasticard sides, by scribing a line approx 1mm. above the bottom edge. The vertical beading and horizontally, along the waist, covering the panel joints was done using 0.5mm. wide strips of brown, self-adhesive, parcel tape. Oops, I've just noticed it's the wrong roof !. By the way,the torpedo vents are from ABS. P6260438 (2).jpg Cheers. Thanks Frank, Tape might be an option. I hadn't though of it, but it might be easier than thin paper. I am assuming that the repair gussets would be of something like 1/8" thick i.e. very thin in 4mm scale. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) Hi Howard, I'm intrigued. Guesstimate of what?! Colin The prototype Ceps (4) and Beps(4) had - as I am sure you know - external lighting and control conduits and 1951 equipment. They date from '56 and were used on the Central section so they suit my needs. But I don't know of any drawings of the external layout and all the pics I have seen are not particularly clear being taken from ground level so I'm down to a bit of reverse engineering, regarding both the roof layout and the inter-coach jumpers (unless Dave et al can work some magic). Now look - I am dragging your thread off topic even before its started: that is a record even for me! Re repair strips, since they sit proud of the bodyside, I would have thought a bit of .005 could be rubbed down with smooth wetordry and a stiff glass fibre brush? Perhaps before forming the profile? From memory, I have sense that they were probably effectively about 3/16" think owning to the bevel along the top edge. That's .0025 ... [Edit:- quantities of units were wrong] Best wishes, Edited October 2, 2013 by HAB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Oh go on then! You never know, they might come in useful Dave! All the best, Colin Here's my scribbling on the matter. When you get around to it, I'll explain some measurements if you wish. Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 I've had to photoshop a bit to bring out the details. Dave The man is a hero - I can think of no other word! Many thanks Dave Best wishes, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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