Rick_Skateboard Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Update. After a nine month wait for some buffers I have revived this project and hope to see it through to the finish fairly soon. I have fitted the buffers and added reinforcing plates behind the coupling hooks on the bufferbeams. I've made up some brake gear from some bits of brass wire and plasticard, plus some brake shoes I had left over from a kit. I finished making the springs and fitted them, including some pieces on the bottom of the spring hangers. I've also experimented with the Archer rivet transfers, just onto a scrap of plasticard and given a blast of grey primer. I think they look pretty good, although possibly too small. I have a pack of the next size up too, so I might use them for the top where they will be more noticeable. I bought the smallest ones because I wanted them to look fine and fit inside some of the angle strip on the model. I've now started the long process of fitting them all over the model. I'll leave the tops to last as they will be the most likely to get disturbed by handling. Hopefully I'll continue with the rivets this week, although I have to do it in small batches because I don't have the patience for doing too much at once! Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Hi Rick, The wagon is looking very impressive - especially now that you are adding rivet detail. Can I ask whose make of buffers have you used? All the best, Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted June 11, 2014 Author Share Posted June 11, 2014 Colin, Thanks for the kind words. The buffers came from Model Railway Developments http://www.emardee.org.uk/ and they are 'GWR self contained wagon buffers'. They are quite nice castings, but I'm afraid I cannot recommend the company based on my experience of them. Perhaps I was just unlucky. If the supply was more reliable I would be interested in ordering more parts from them, because the range is an interesting one. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 Progress from today. I've fitted the handbrake wheels and I've done all the rivets on the sides and bufferbeams. I have started the rivets on one of the ends. I noticed that on the prototype that there's actually two different sizes of rivet on the ends, so I've represented that with the bigger rivet decals I have. Hopefully I'll finish the rivets off in one more session, then get a coat of primer on to seal then in. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2014 Seems a shame to paint it! Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I hope the Rivet Decals don't come off during the painting process. Very nice in deed Rick. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Rick Who's etch have you used for the handbrake wheel as it appears to be suitable for the discharge wheel on Liverpool Corporation 20ton hoppers? Mark Saunders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 Who's etch have you used for the handbrake wheel The handbrake wheels are Wizard Models, be careful when ordering as some etches have a hole in one of the spokes for a handle. I hope the Rivet Decals don't come off during the painting process.Yes, I had thought about that. I'm hoping to put a light coat of primer on with my airbrush without blowing them away. Then once they have some paint on they should be stuck. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Hi Rick, The latest pictures are superb - a rivet counter's paradise! It is particularly impressive how you are following the prototype's rivet/bolt head spacings. I have read about Archers rivets needing to be laid on a primed base (Ron Heggs scratch-building of his EMUs). However, if you have got this far with applying them and have had no trouble, then there isn't areal problem. It would seem logical that having the rivets sealed under as many coats of paint as possible without losing definition of detail, i.e. primer, top coat and varnish would be ideal. Looking forward to seeing the end result. All the best, Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I usually try to prime them as soon as they're on as if you leave them any length of time some do drop off. A spot of Mek on them helps (I assume it welds the backing film to the plastic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Zero Gravitas Posted June 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2014 Hi Rick, That's really, really nice. I too am looking forward to seeing it painted. And if I may just hijack for a moment to reply to Colin Parks - GWR 18" long by 13" head self contained buffers are available from ABS - catalogue number F329, or Lanarkshire Model Supplies catalogue B022, if that helps. I really am have going to have to get a life, one day. Best Regards, ZG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted June 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2014 Hi Rick When I first looked at this post last October I hadn't realised it was a Flatrol MVV diagram 2/512 you were building. I came accross one of these a couple of years ago at a preserved railway in Derbyshire and got permission to get up close and take a lot of photographs of it. If you think these would be of use to you PM me and I'll let you have copies. By pure co-incidence I was planning to build one of these myself and I sent a set of drawings off to the etchers just a couple of weeks ago so I expect to get the etches some time next week. I like the way you have made the springs, I was planning to try to make a master and cast some in resin for mine, but the springs are quite short and as they have 9 leaves they will be quite difficult to replicate. Congratulations on your model so far, I shall continue to follow the thread with added interest. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalKat Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Rick - who's rivet decals have you used , and what size please? Emma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Wow that's some seriously fantastic stuff, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 Ian, I'd be very interested to see your photos, I'll drop you a PM. I'd also be very interested to see your etches and how your wagon comes together, hopefully you will have time to write it up on here. Yours will be a much more scientific model, mine is quite simple and has been made without many proper drawings or dimensions! Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 Emma, The rivets are an Archer product. You have to order them from America www.archertransfers.com . I have used .008 inch/.2mm and .011 inch/.28mm on the Flatrol. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted June 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2014 Hi DCC supplies sell them in the UK but I don't know if it's the full range. Cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalKat Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Emma, The rivets are an Archer product. You have to order them from America www.archertransfers.com . I have used .008 inch/.2mm and .011 inch/.28mm on the Flatrol. Rick Thanks Rick. I have some of those but they seemed too small (they are from the HO series) I'll get some of the others now I know what's what Emma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted June 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2014 Ian, I'd be very interested to see your photos, I'll drop you a PM. I'd also be very interested to see your etches and how your wagon comes together, hopefully you will have time to write it up on here. Yours will be a much more scientific model, mine is quite simple and has been made without many proper drawings or dimensions! Rick Hi Rick Here is a pic of the first test etch as you requested, I've already had a few ideas about how to make it easier to build, but as with all projects of this nature, it is very difficult to get it right first time around. When I get a bit further down the line I'll start a thread for it. As I have already said, the springs and axle boxes will be the difficult bit. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 I've now painted the wagon. And as I feared, the rivets aren't very noticeable! I think they might stand out a bit more with some dry brushing over them and general weathering. Lettering and weathering are the next jobs.I'd be interested to know what people think and any suggestions to enhance it further.Cheers,Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted June 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2014 The rivets look just right IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 I'm getting ready to put transfers on the model, but looking at more photos of the real thing shows that the cast works plates are very prominent on the sides. Does anyone know of an etch or transfer for BR wagon plates? Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted June 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hi Rick I've got a few spares from my etches, I'll put them in with the CD. Cheers Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Emma, The rivets are an Archer product. You have to order them from America www.archertransfers.com . I have used .008 inch/.2mm and .011 inch/.28mm on the Flatrol. Rick For anyone interested they are currently in stock with DCC supplies! Mark Saunders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalKat Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Ah ..... mine have already arrived from the States Emma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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