PenrithBeacon Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 The 'Realtime Trains' website http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/WFJ is a most useful tool for those who want to observe from the lineside, but it doesn't include the train descriptions eg 1M10 for freight trains but it does for the passenger stuff. Are these train descriptions still used within the railway industry for freight trains or is this something else which has been consigned to history's dustbin? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2013 1M10 is the 09:40, Glasgow - Euston - a passenger service ! RTT is not licensed to display the true code for freight operators workings (note the subtle wording, as DRS passenger trains will also not show their full headcode), the industry still uses them Freight Locate - www.freightlocate.co.uk does show (most of) them, but it's subscription. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2013 Network Rail Working Timetables show the train descriptions for booked freight trains. Available at http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browseDirectory.aspx?root=&dir=%5cTimetables%5cWorking%20timetable%20(WTT)%5cMay%202013%20-%20December%202013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 very enlightening, I was wondering why some trains/paths weren't in the standard headcode format Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2013 They are not trains they are "paths" In power boxes the machine is called a train describer not a path describer, because when the path is running it's actually a train - and that's what we are describing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2013 In power boxes the machine is called a train describer not a path describer, because when the path is running it's actually a train - and that's what we are describing. And they are indeed 'train descriptions' although being pedantic they are actually train numbers when you see the full code - I'm not sure how many digits it contains now but it was up to at least 6 or 7 back in BR days 20 years ago however the practice of using only the 4 digits for WTT purposes has continued although some train describers can accommodate longer codes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2013 Freight codes are hidden as it's deemed to be financially sensitive information for hauliers outside the industry to monitor without paying to access it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2013 Stationmaster: im pretty sure it still is 6 or 7 digits in the full code, the 'common' reporting number being somewhere in the middle, i.e 126C375 (6C37) ive certainly seen tops sheets/drivers slips fresh off the printer like that recently It was also interesting to get a drivers slip from a 'proper' tops/trust machine (whichever one it is) with its long paper, first time ive had one in the format it was intended and not spread over 2 and a bit A4 sheets out of a fax machine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40044 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 416C37C913 (or something like!) would be the full train description. 41 - first 2 numbers of the originating STANOX (station number) 6C37 - the train description as most people would use it. While more than one train may be described as 6C37 on the day, the full train ID must be unique C - WTT freight service, numbers would be used for STP/VSTP trains, M for WTT passenger service 9 - the "T - speed" a letter or number which identifies the hour of the day when the train is booked to set off from it's originating point 13 - the day of the month when the train is booked to set off from its originating point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
11B Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 416C37C913 (or something like!) would be the full train description. 41 - first 2 numbers of the originating STANOX (station number) 6C37 - the train description as most people would use it. While more than one train may be described as 6C37 on the day, the full train ID must be unique C - WTT freight service, numbers would be used for STP/VSTP trains, M for WTT passenger service 9 - the "T - speed" a letter or number which identifies the hour of the day when the train is booked to set off from it's originating point 13 - the day of the month when the train is booked to set off from its originating point. So using this info, can you work out the common "train description" for freight? i.e. what would 07452WCP13 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H22534/2013/10/13/advanced be? Thanks Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2013 So using this info, can you work out the common "train description" for freight? i.e. what would 07452WCP13 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H22534/2013/10/13/advanced be? Thanks Ian Afraid not, it's encrypted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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