HornbyA3Fan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Hi, I can't seem to find a similar topic about this, but if so, merge it across. Can anyone help me, as I am wondering of how do you re livery a Hornby Class 86. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Help us to help you: what livery is it now? what livery would you like it to be? which manufacturer's is it? - EJIT: Hornby - it would help if I could read Basically, it's a fairly straightforward set of steps, the same as any D&E loco give or take a few tweaks, but it might be useful to have a few more details Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A starting point is that it's Hornby, so that sounds like 4mm. As for the rest?????????????????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corax67 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Excellent step-by-step guide to changing loco liveries here: http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Rolling%20Stock/loco-respray-p1.htm Any number of video guides on YouTube and a host of threads on RMWeb about this process too. If you are looking for specific suppliers of equipment, paints, decals or detailing parts then we need to know - as has been asked above - what livery you wish to change to but the process of conversion is not too frightening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 To clear things up, I am deciding of doing a project which includes a Hornby Class 86 and repainting in a fictional livery. I am looking for silver paint, warning panels, black and dark blue paint. And if possible can anyone help me of finding a manufacturer that supplies DC controlled bi-directional lighting at all. The project in question, is something of uniqueness which I don't think has been done before. My original idea was to paint a Class 86 in MML Bambi livery to see what if such livery was applied to the 86's before most was withdrawn about 05/06, but can't find the sufficient decals/paints for that particular livery. The silver livery etc is just part of the locos livery, as it I would like to add a bit of a gaming vibe of the early 2000's (Now some might hate the idea) but something I would like to try. Oh and I forgot to mention, that as soon as I can acquire an 86 (maybe at the NEC this November, no doubt) what accurate detailing kits would suit an 86 from the early 2000's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Try Express Models for your lighting, they offer options for DCC, DC, and DC 'Lightstore'. DC Lightstore Ref: EXH/T71LS'Lightstore' head and tail lighting unit for the Hornby class 86 electric locomotive.Price: £16.95 Also of interest: £15.95 for the standard DC lights Ref: EXH/T71 or £19.95 for the standard DC lights including high-intensity headlight Ref: EXHT71(W) Edit: with regard to transfers have you considered printing your own? Waterslide paper is available relatively cheaply. Edit Edit: for detailing Class 86s, check out Jim Smith-Wright (jim s-w) of this parish. His Birmingham New Street thread has some cracking info which should be of use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Just a question. What would some people's thoughts about a early 2000's gaming themed loco? I will still go ahead of course, but just like to know what some people's thought about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 If it makes you happy, what else matters? Class 86 thread from the old RMWeb: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=1935 Jim S-W's account seems to have gone to guest status which might hinder your searches here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 If it makes you happy, what else matters? Class 86 thread from the old RMWeb: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=1935 Jim S-W's account seems to have gone to guest status which might hinder your searches here. Thanks for the link. Will be useful when I acquire an 86. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 28, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2013 Lots of info in this thread. I think there's an 86 in there somewhere, but regardless of loco type, the techniques are still the same. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Celticwardog Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Lots of info in this thread. I think there's an 86 in there somewhere, but regardless of loco type, the techniques are still the same. Cheers, Mick And heres me thinking you would say dip it in a bucket of yellow paint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 28, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2013 And heres me thinking you would say dip it in a bucket of yellow paint You've just reminded me I haven't yet modelled 86901 or 86902....... http://www.flickr.com/photos/84648023@N08/8389558992/in/photolist-dMmFAQ-efvYvr-dKtf1h-f4k76B-cS3MPy-apXVZF-f5bzoR-f5bB5x-9qJx9N-9t2ie9-ay4xu5-ay4mfs-8445Mn-fZiddK-9sUHjY-86GzSK-bbm6xc-bbm6eR-aPQpcp-cyxomE-cyxkPd-dDvWCw-dUEjtW-cyxiLG-8oXnPJ-drMtyo-dHW5wD-e5ByDc-e5HdTQ-e5HdjN-e5BABP-e5Hc3m-e5BvSH-dNbRHf-e3NpEK-dHkNw7-9xZp6y-e5HcNN-e5Bw84-e5BAUc-enndtJ-bygYav-axbQ5G Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Celticwardog Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I was only jesting. I actually like test trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 What recommended technique to repaint a Hornby Class 86. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Celticwardog Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I've noticed in other threads you might be looking to do this in silver? I can highly recommend the Alclad range of metallic. Have used them for the 1st time recently and they are very convincing. They MUST be airbrushed, but I will assume you have one of these as I don't see how you could re-paint any livery convincingly with a brush. Would also recommend stripping the paint with brake fluid, its the cheapest way to to it. I have found this doesn't shift everything all the time and you may have to use something else to get the last bits out, something Phoenix superstrip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 I have got a Hornby Class 86(with a damaged pantograph) after looking through my collection in the old Virgin trains livery, so that will be the start of this project I am trying to do. Does anyone know where I could find a more accurate pantograph for the Hornby Class 86 at all. And the reason being is so that I could bring the old Hornby 86 to a more modern standards. Oh, and can anyone help me of how to take the loco body off without damaging Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Replacement BW and SF pans are available from Hurst Models: http://www.shop.hurstmodels.com/pantograph-kits-53-c.asp A cheaper but more labour intensive option for a BW is to get a Hornby one from Ebay and file it down a bit to make it look more slender. Shawplan do fire suppresion tanks for the 86 roof too. From what i can remember from the last of mine i took apart, but it's been a while, there's a long screw in the middle at the bottom which needs to come out (be careful when re-attaching this as there's no obvious stop and it can go back in too far) then carefully prize the sides away from the chassis to unclip it. I should be fairly obvious where it's being held in place when you start. Be aware that there will be wires going from the chassis to the roof for the supply selector by the pantograph, these are on crimped spade connectors and should slide off with a little effort. If you've no intention of using the pan for the supply ever again then just connect those 2 wires together while it's in pieces......of course i may be getting confused with the last class 90 i took apart there. Something that did come to my mind from what you've described you'd like to do and might make bits easier (like getting yellow panels the correct size and numbers+warning stickers in the right place) is rather than creating a livery from scratch to look like a gaming theme, why not chose a 'new' game from your era of choice and treat it as advertising on an 86? That way important details you can do as per the original company (Virgin or Anglia i'm guessing) to get them right and have a prototype to work to but the sides can look however you would like. If that makes sense. A good example is this unimaginative Virgin effort: HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Replacement BW and SF pans are available from Hurst Models: http://www.shop.hurstmodels.com/pantograph-kits-53-c.asp A cheaper but more labour intensive option for a BW is to get a Hornby one from Ebay and file it down a bit to make it look more slender. Shawplan do fire suppresion tanks for the 86 roof too. From what i can remember from the last of mine i took apart, but it's been a while, there's a long screw in the middle at the bottom which needs to come out (be careful when re-attaching this as there's no obvious stop and it can go back in too far) then carefully prize the sides away from the chassis to unclip it. I should be fairly obvious where it's being held in place when you start. Be aware that there will be wires going from the chassis to the roof for the supply selector by the pantograph, these are on crimped spade connectors and should slide off with a little effort. If you've no intention of using the pan for the supply ever again then just connect those 2 wires together while it's in pieces......of course i may be getting confused with the last class 90 i took apart there. Something that did come to my mind from what you've described you'd like to do and might make bits easier (like getting yellow panels the correct size and numbers+warning stickers in the right place) is rather than creating a livery from scratch to look like a gaming theme, why not chose a 'new' game from your era of choice and treat it as advertising on an 86? That way important details you can do as per the original company (Virgin or Anglia i'm guessing) to get them right and have a prototype to work to but the sides can look however you would like. If that makes sense. A good example is this unimaginative Virgin effort: imagesv.jpg HTH So basically get the warning panels etc, and for the sides of the loco advertise in a way my chosen game. If that is what you mean by. And quite interesting of what you have just mentioned i may add of your advice. Much appreciated. I have a couple of Hornby 86s i repainted into the Network Rail twins, just adding roof details as advised above makes a big difference. I also fitted south east flush glazing, etched wiper blades etc. Removing the big Hornby couplings and replacing with Kadee couplers makes a big difference, as does pipework on the buffer beams. Nameplates and weathering make a difference, mine run with panto down as they are dragged by a class 66 and one 86 has a flashing tail light in the centre window. As for pantographs contact P H Designs, they are in the process of making resin ones. Good luck with your project Bob Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted October 31, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2013 From what i can remember from the last of mine i took apart, but it's been a while, there's a long screw in the middle at the bottom which needs to come out No screws in a Hornby 86, the only thing that holds the body onto the chassis are four clips on the body sides. You can see the clips through the holes just behind the cab doors. Ease the sides of the body out around the clips and the chassis should slide out, while the weight will fall out and land on your foot! Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Would any old Hornby class 86 shell fit on the DCC 86 chassis at all. Like for example R589 shell on R3058 chassis, How easy for a novice like myself in modifying locos etc to fit kadee couplings with a loco w/o NEM sockets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 So basically get the warning panels etc, and for the sides of the loco advertise in a way my chosen game. If that is what you mean by. And quite interesting of what you have just mentioned i may add of your advice. Much appreciated. Yep that's pretty much it. No screws in a Hornby 86, the only thing that holds the body onto the chassis are four clips on the body sides. You can see the clips through the holes just behind the cab doors. Ease the sides of the body out around the clips and the chassis should slide out, while the weight will fall out and land on your foot! Andi And yep, i must have been getting confused with class 90s. I thought i may have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Yep that's pretty much it. And yep, i must have been getting confused with class 90s. I thought i may have been. I am thinking of a game console colours from the early 2000's to meet my chosen set years of the class 86 between 2000 and 2007. And what I have been thinking is about painting the sides in silver (perhaps a darker silver), the cab window surrounds, cab roofs, and main roof in matt black, the doors in a dark blue (not too sure what shade of dark blue though), yellow half warning panels, and applying the early style MML logo plus Bambi deer in small in black next to the game console of my choice. Just thought of doing this unusual take of a Class 86 to stand out from the rail companies from the nationalization to today in the modelling world. Might get some hate from that of what I have just said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Where can I find a Class 86 shell that is ready for new paint. As I can't seem to find one on the internet. Any help will be appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Just keep watching ebay.......... (not really helpful i suppose, but i trawl for 86s occasionally and the odd shell or non-runner does appear sometimes) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallmodelspares Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 hello another idea would be to relivery the engine using a vinyl graphic a company will do custom graphics if you require them saves on repainting or spraying electra railway graphics been eyeing some of the emu sides for a while myself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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