RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2018 I went to see Paddington 2 yesterday. Some "interesting" railway scenes. Not recomended for those in the H & S or real railway operations fields. Bernard I loved every minute of the railway scenes - after all if you believe the prison scenes and various other things in the film why not enjoy the railway scenes and I loved the fact that Didcot coal stage actually leads to a big drop into a very deep river. However I have heard from various people that adults seem much keener on the film than children. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2018 While its fun to spot the mistakes, these films were made for Joe Public, many of whom are not well up on the intricacies of railway working or even railways these days. So you are left with those who want to make a movie as cheaply as possible using any old train; to these guys a train is a train, no matter if it puffs or not! OTOH, some directors care about their pictures and in 'The Train', John Frankenheimer made it as realistic as possible. Some degree of compromise is inevitable but a degree of effort should always go into getting the details reasonably correct, or as close to as is realistically plausible without wasting a fortune of time and money (take it to the ridiculous extreme - no-one is going to put a Pendolino in a Victorian setting, at least unless you've got some weird time-travlling sci-fi story). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2018 Now about Dr Who..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Some degree of compromise is inevitable but a degree of effort should always go into getting the details reasonably correct, or as close to as is realistically plausible without wasting a fortune of time and money (take it to the ridiculous extreme - no-one is going to put a Pendolino in a Victorian setting, at least unless you've got some weird time-travlling sci-fi story). Agree, but railway enthusiasts can be their own worse enemy, not surprising sometimes they become the brunt of humour, taking fiction so serious bordering on attention problems, compromise IS needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I loved every minute of the railway scenes - after all if you believe the prison scenes and various other things in the film why not enjoy the railway scenes and I loved the fact that Didcot coal stage actually leads to a big drop into a very deep river. However I have heard from various people that adults seem much keener on the film than children. I did pick up the Didcot shot. Although some locations were not known to me. In the respect of adult versus children entertainment I find it rather like a pantomime with different scenes giving different responses. I particularly enjoyed the street furniture in Chalk Farm, or as the upmarket current residents call it, Primrose Hill. But then I have as, some would say, an unnatural interest in architectural detail. I do think the union that is supposed to be looking after the Bin Man, should get down to negotiating a reduction in the extraordinary length of his round. The timing of the marmalade making was also a bit out as the Seville Oranges are only in season just around the present date. In general I found the whole film very entertaining and very well cast and produced. Bernard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 I once spoke to the guy on one preserved railway which is able to offer just about any era and combination to meet the flm maker's requirements. Often the jobsworths agreed an accurate representation of what was wanted, and were over-ridden by the director selecting something more "interesting" such as a Bulleid pacific instead of a two coach local headed by a tank loco. He said that the railways try hard to offer as close a consist as possible to the era and region, only to be over ruled. And of course, the railway gets the stick for an inaccurate presentation. I am not sure I agree that the railway gets the stick for any inaccurate presentation. I think viewers are sensible enough to understand that the directors are responsible for making decisions regarding such scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 When you think most people watching a film/tv programme know very little about railways, do you think the makers care about a minority interest ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sasquatch Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2018 Being well and truly one of the minority earns one the label of "NURD". Mrs. S. always pauses the film and lets out a little sigh when I pipe up in the middle of the movie like during the end of Dunkirk... "OH come on". "Those are 1950s built mark ones and with corporate era seat covers from the 70s"."Nurd"! "Now can we enjoy the end of the flick with out any more interruptions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Whilst it is amusing to some, irritating to others, when trains from the wrong era are portrayed I can forgive this to a point. An early BR crest when a late one should be used and vice versa are forgivable in my book. But using BR liveried locos on stock in a war time film is definitely wrong especially if it is a portrayal of real historical events. If I recall correctly, Wonder Woman and entourage travel on a WW1 boat train to the channel in a nice green Southern carriage. At the time I remember thinking "at least it's from the right region", quickly followed by "hang on, it's not 1924 yet". I don't recall whether a locomotive was even depicted, or whether the green carriage is actually a Southern carriage. Edited January 9, 2018 by Ozexpatriate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) If I recall correctly, Wonder Woman and entourage travel on a WW1 boat train to the channel in a nice green Southern carriage. At the time I remember thinking "at least it's from the right region", quickly followed by "hang on, it's not 1924 yet". I don't recall whether a locomotive was even depicted, or whether the green carriage is actually a Southern carriage. The film producers not only hired the C Class (number 592) plus all the coaching stock from the Bluebell Railway, they also paid for it to be tested and certificated to run on Network Rail metals from East Grinstead round to Bounds Green depot then on to Kings Cross for a couple of nights filming. See https://www.flickr.com/photos/bradjoyce/24240833974 https://www.flickr.com/photos/60539035@N02/24250567414 As a result the C class and the coaches used all gained TOPS numbers..... Edited January 9, 2018 by phil-b259 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) The film producers not only hired the C Class (number 592) plus all the coaching stock from the Bluebell Railway, they also paid for it to be tested and certificated to run on Network Rail metals from East Grinstead round to Bounds Green depot then on to Kings Cross for a couple of nights filming. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du_AO_u6BCQ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bradjoyce/24240833974 https://www.flickr.com/photos/60539035@N02/24250567414 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIibCFLjEJY As a result the C class and the coaches used all gained TOPS numbers..... I never saw the film, but for the kind of film I know it is (that is, not a historical film of a true event), that was a very good effort, even if some of the coaches are a bit too old, and some liveried too late for WWI. Edited January 9, 2018 by Coppercap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2018 One must also note that none of the actors are of the proper vintage either; some of them are barely from the proper century. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 As a regular watcher of that glorious, low-budget, anachronistic, Canadian silliness that is The Murdoch Mysteries, I find the idea that Toronto's main railway station was a single track, wayside affair to be rather endearing. Much as I also find the idea that c1900 Toronto had an apparent total of 3 shops, one run-down rooming house and one posh suburban street . To be fair to the producers they did find the budget to film part of one episode in what was unmistakeably Bristol (sadly no railway scenes, which would probably have been even funnier), but i think that cleared out the piggy bank for the whole season. O the subject of reruns of detective shows, I also found it hilarious when The Last Detective investigated the death of a man run down by an express, apparently hauled by an 08, and running on a Broad Gauge, baulk road siding . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NittenDormer Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Has anyone else watched The Polar Express (Tom Hanks Christmas cartoon)? I'm fairly sure some scenes are not prototypical - punching tickets to spell words, crossing a frozen lake, questionable gradients... Not to mention ridiculously riding on the front of the locomotive in pyjamas. In winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted January 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2018 PatB I've never watched Murdoch, but parts of it are filmed in Guelph, where we have a few old-looking streets, like the one where we have coffee every Saturday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted January 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2018 I remember unfortunately catching the end of an episode of Hart to Hart....that was bad enough.. But they claimed to be landing at Heathrow, then showed an airport with single story white painted buildings, with mountains in the background. Shortly followed by the obligatory shot of Routemasters on London Bridge with the Houses of Parliment in the back ground and 1960s cars.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I remember unfortunately catching the end of an episode of Hart to Hart....that was bad enough.. But they claimed to be landing at Heathrow, then showed an airport with single story white painted buildings, with mountains in the background. Shortly followed by the obligatory shot of Routemasters on London Bridge with the Houses of Parliment in the back ground and 1960s cars.. 'Hart To Hart', someone actually admitted to watching it ? - Hang on !! Natalie Wood wasn't it ?? We can excuse that then !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Shortly followed by the obligatory shot of Routemasters on London Bridge with the Houses of Parliment in the back ground and 1960s cars.. Quite remarkable, as you can't see the Houses of Parliament from London Bridge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 'Hart To Hart', someone actually admitted to watching it ? - Hang on !! Natalie Wood wasn't it ?? We can excuse that then !! No, not Natalie, but her husband, with Stefanie Powers (who was nice, but not as pretty as Nat...). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted January 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2018 Quite remarkable, as you can't see the Houses of Parliament from London Bridge! Well not the one in the clip thats now in America somewhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Well not the one in the clip thats now in America somewhere Whichever London Bridge, be it in London or Arizona, you can't see the Houses of Parliament from either of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted January 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2018 But they claimed to be landing at Heathrow, then showed an airport with single story white painted buildings, with mountains in the background. Details, details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I remember unfortunately catching the end of an episode of Hart to Hart....that was bad enough.. But they claimed to be landing at Heathrow, then showed an airport with single story white painted buildings, with mountains in the background. Shortly followed by the obligatory shot of Routemasters on London Bridge with the Houses of Parliment in the back ground and 1960s cars.. C'mon chap, play the game! Would it have been that difficult to shoehorn in Max's opening credits line? "It was moiyder!" C6T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2018 In the latest series, The Queen arrives in Norfolk (Loughborough on the GCR) behind a Black 5. I think was in late crest. It’s supposed to be 1957. And the late Crest was introduced in 1956 so no issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Another Murdoch watcher here. They do close frame their exterior shots a lot and several of the 'cityscape' shots are clearly models. The railway bits are always fun though. steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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