davknigh Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Hi Truffy, A couple of links you may find useful for your conversions regardless of gauge. First off wagons; http://www.clag.org.uk/rewheelingwagons.html The second for doing a Pannier; http://www.ultrascale.com/sites/default/files/reviews/review01.pdf . Converting the Pannier using Gibsons is a tad more difficult but not so bad as to be discouraging. the basic premise is the same but you will want to pad out the frame with plasticard so the wheels don't flop about. The CLAG site http://www.clag.org.uk/ has all sorts of good information no matter what your gauge. Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 OK - first I have not read the whole thread but it seems to have gone a bit off topic. So, to get back to the original question, in my opinion there should not be separate forums for EM and P4, they are after all both 4mm so it is only the track, wheel and compensation aspects that differ. You could argue that there should be an OO forum.... The Scalefour Forum is viewable without having to belong to the Society, and if you want to get more involved then perhaps it is time to join. I'm sure the same goes for the EM Gauge Society. What I get from RM Web is posts from people with similar company/period/region interests regardless of scale or gauge - these can be adapted as required. I like to hear member's experiences with specific kits or other products and advice when requested. Most questions regarding EM/P4 conversions or track can fit into the existing forum structure. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 erm Duck still works in P4 Yes, but I'm damned if I'm going to the effort and expense of converting Hornby's Thomas! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 The second for doing a Pannier; http://www.ultrascale.com/sites/default/files/reviews/review01.pdf Thank you for those links David. The Pannier conversion looks easier than one posted on the EMGS, although is it only me who winced at this: Ultrascale recommend holding your nuts in a pin vice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 The best choice is to have TWO sub forums - one for EM, the other for P4. Then those that don't like one of them, or indeed both (and as this thread [not that I've read it all], suggests there are plenty of those) can ignore it/them. Not for people who use both it isn't! In fact the layout I'm planning at the moment will be a combination of the two! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 A 'Finescale' subdivision is divisive IMO and gets us nowhere, as previously discussed. Sorting the sheep from the goats............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sorting the sheep from the goats.............Or the black sheep and a special sub forum for the wethers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Seems to be forgooten, or overlooked, that the Scalefour Society already has a pretty good forum........ I mentioned it back in post 17, including the fact that you can post without being a member... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2013 I mentioned it back in post 17, including the fact that you can post without being a member... And I mentioned both facts in post #2. Which simply illustrates the problem. RMweb is full of all kinds of info -- if you can find it. The original suggestion for a separate forum was to overcome the searching problem of not being able to search for 2-character terms such as EM and P4. If we could do that we wouldn't need a separate forum. Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 The original suggestion for a separate forum was to overcome the searching problem of not being able to search for 2-character terms such as EM and P4. If we could do that we wouldn't need a separate forum. Martin. And as you pointed out in post #3 - there is no such problem. All one has to do is use google correctly and it will search even a two letter term. The search engine within forums has always been an issue - why should the forum software folk reinvent the wheel when google does such a good job and is, after all, their speciality. Removing the internal search and directing all to use google might save some of the speed and data issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2013 And as you pointed out in post #3 - there is no such problem. All one has to do is use google correctly and it will search even a two letter term. The search engine within forums has always been an issue - why should the forum software folk reinvent the wheel when google does such a good job and is, after all, their speciality. Removing the internal search and directing all to use google might save some of the speed and data issues. Yes, but as I also pointed out it produces far too many results displayed in a seemingly random order. The advantage of a forum's native search is that the results are by default returned in date order. This is important when a lot of discussion relates to reviews of new products, current availability of old products, up-to-date contact details, latest news of members projects, and similar information. Adjusting the native search to allow 2 characters or more if all in upper case or containing a numeric character would be a vast improvement to RMweb. Or even better, remove the restriction entirely, and simply have a list of common short words which are ignored when not part of a quoted phrase. This is the approach adopted by most search engines and indexing software. Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Another argument against having sub-forums in 4mm is that there will probably a clamor for a P87, P48, S7, 2mm Finescale etc., etc. Oh, hang on a minute............. Seriously, though, to say you model in P4/S4 does not make you a better modeller - just take a look at Gordon's Eastwood Town (in progress). Wonderful trackwork. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2013 why should the forum software folk reinvent the wheel when google does such a good job and is, after all, their speciality. They don't actually do much themselves -- RMweb's searching uses the open-source Sphinx functions: http://sphinxsearch.com See this recent post from IPS: http://community.invisionpower.com/topic/393640-searching-on-forums-is-totally-unreliable/?do=findComment&comment=2437128 Andy can change the 4-character limit in the RMweb control panel but is apparently advised not to do so for reasons of efficiency. I'm puzzled that the 4-character limit is in that topic blamed on MySql, when most other forums based on MySql databases don't have such a restriction. For example you can search for EM on the Templot Club forum without any apparent difficulty: http://85a.co.uk/forum/search.php?s=1&q=EM Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 All one has to do is use google correctly and it will search even a two letter term. Well, that's really intuitive, isn't it? Use Google's search engine from outside the forum, rather than use the forum search based on...Google. Seriously, though, to say you model in P4/S4 does not make you a better modeller Seriously though, I never said it did. And that's not really the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Well, that's really intuitive, isn't it? Use Google's search engine from outside the forum, rather than use the forum search based on...Google. But it isn't - see Martin's post above. Google does have the ability to be personalised somewhat but you do have to lean how to use it. IIRC you can apply a date sort order. So you end up with a reference tab listing the posts in Google and then open each "interesting" searched item in separate tabs..... closing then quickly when you find it is only yet another gauge war ... just like the Active/New Topics option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 But it isn't - see Martin's post above.How odd...I was assuming that the default "Google Site search" meant that the site search used Google. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted November 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2013 I have a dream... One day all finescale 4mm modellers will work together, regardless of gauge! Do we really need to be separated by a few mm? (I'll probably be thrown out of the Scalefour Society for saying this!) Kind regards, Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I have a dream... Careful, there's extremists about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 How odd...I was assuming that the default "Google Site search" meant that the site search used Google. Don't worry Truffy, so did I, until Martin posted that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Gents, Perhaps......... There is room for a segregated area in much the same way as there is for PrototypeUK Prototype Discussions (not questions!) UK Prototype Questions which, I assume, was arranged so that (specifically) questions didn't get lost in general discussion. Which puts me in mind of the OP's question:- ".............where the previously received wisdom could be kept together in one repository?" I'm wearing mi flack jacket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 There have been approximately 87 threads on this subject since 2007. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velopeur Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Why not just sideline all the other stuff into little forums of their own (and some already has been). What is left is bound to be just right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 ...beware change for changes sake. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 There have been approximately 87 threads on this subject since 2007. Which just goes to show that it's a common(ish) problem. One way of not cluttering RMW with threads on this subject, is to corral those threads in one place where they can be found/ignored with ease. GOTO 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 ....and lose the everyday diffusion/interaction/opportunity between gauges within each scale because more buttons have to be pressed to find the separate parts. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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