Jack374 Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 All over green repaint for a 387 delivery barrier wagon?Nope! I don't think they've ever been north of Crewe, so I ain't modelling them...we don't all have a nice layout based in the Midlands! Here it is today after a coat of primer (the colour of which is determined by the livery)...closely inspect the photo and you may see a hint as to what it'll become... More soon, Jack. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders79 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Is it an ex National Power JMA/HKA hopper? Edited April 7, 2017 by bradders79 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2017 Is it an ex National Power JMA hopper? That would need LTF bogies before the re-bogie and re-code to HKA I wonder if the undercoat is for a red topcoat...... so the JMA isn't too far off the mark. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 Is it an ex National Power JMA/HKA hopper? That would need LTF bogies before the re-bogie and re-code to HKA I wonder if the undercoat is for a red topcoat...... so the JMA isn't too far off the mark. An HKA is what I'm going for, so you're both correct, although the NP JMA is a few years beforehand! I've just emailed Steve at Railtec RE transfers for the HKA, and if you thought the workbench couldn't get any more red, watch this space! Thanks, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted April 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2017 Yep, that's a lot of Red ! Don't forget to chop the buffers off ! Cheers, phil. PS Got some detail pics if they're any use to you. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 8, 2017 Author Share Posted April 8, 2017 Cheers Phil, I'm only doing one because I can't afford any more at the extortionate prices they go for now, and I've got some pictures myself taken at Warrington Arpley in 2014, but thanks for the offer! I wonder if the undercoat is for a red topcoat...... It certainly is! Sprayed today in the glorious weather. RE the buffers, if you look closely in the last pic (what I was eluding to), the opposite end doesn't have buffers, as they've been replaced with a kadee: The small bracket on the bufferbeam is for the knuckle uncoupler, as seen below, and is a small piece of brass etch offcut bent and drilled. Next up is some painting of the underframe (black) and details in white, but I've got a few days in North Wales from tomorrow, with a trip on the line from Caernarfon to Bleneau Ffestiniog at some point hopefully... Thanks, Jack. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted April 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2017 One, no problem, just stick it in a siding and let it leak ! Cheers, Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 9, 2017 Author Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) (Sold) Thanks, Jack. Edited August 25, 2017 by Jack374 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 On a side note, if anyone wants one or a pair of white Dapol HIA hoppers (with the correct size buffers and missing lamp bracket added), them PM me as I want to get rid of mine now I've disbanded my Freightliner wagon repair train. They're in good condition, never been run, and the work on them is as detailed in this thread, with painting of the bogie details and wheels also. IMG_2790.JPG IMG_2458.JPG Thanks, Jack. Hi Jack, great work on the HKA, as Im local to west london, and commute into paddington i see this daily at acton etc. always wondered how easy it would be to convert from the Bachmann release of the freight liner variant. Regarding those HIA's and that freightliner 'wagon repair' train. have you got any pics of this any all in real life that you have been working from? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 9, 2017 Author Share Posted April 9, 2017 Cheers WCML100...I've found a load of photos from Matthew Bailey (EWS60002 on here). He records quite a few trip workings through Sandbach, and below are a selection of oddball ones involving HIAs. HHAs also feature, hence why I added a tail light to my freightliner one, before it turned red... https://www.flickr.com/photos/ews60002/12069278926/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/ews60002/25811054602/ If you search for the headcode of this working on Flickr, I'm sure it'll turn up many photos. Thanks, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2017 Have you got a spare HTA and a sharp razor saw? https://www.flickr.com/photos/108904076@N07/33117945024/in/photolist-Tv7T3E-Ssw8f9-Ssw6ty-Ta34FG Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
virginhst539 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Might be missing a point but why reduce the length? Anyone feeling brave enough to cut a £40 wagon in half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12, 2017 Might be missing a point but why reduce the length? Anyone feeling brave enough to cut a £40 wagon in half Because stone is so much denser than coal, it only requires a shorter wagon to carry the same weight. Using full length HTAs for stone means that for the same weight, the train is much longer. As the market for coal has significantly reduced, there are huge numbers of coal wagons sitting around doing nothing. GBRf have already done this with a few of the IIA/HYA fleet for stone carrying - working out of Arcow quarry for example. Mixed rakes of short and long wagons have been the norm for awhile but the full length are appearing less and less as more wagons are shortened. https://www.flickr.com/photos/132443981@N07/32779028861/in/photolist-RWz6h2-S51pCo-QKnjtJ-QSW3BA-S94WHj-SYvstU-SdTH6z-SRqBUd-TnQjiQ-QUJ15H-R6w96k-TwyMvc-T9Lba5-DYt9EQ-Eogtth-HW222f-FzxHuh-Qb7FJ5-St9qwH-T9JdYL-RYzfVu-RHQ1Bw-QakXzz-QRUB3C-RXh9TG-TGSNCC-RNU7PE-Hbi6oy-QTEWjP-RYaJqt-RyTqcb-RnBXPT-GS5WYK-fsBjrf-JoTSfj-mZWsb1-G6u2dt-CGWF4B-Gb135q-Q8XhR2-Q9mpqZ-PYQcLT-JgsULz-JoHbxj-KgNhaq-Ef5ZGj-SyRKRx-QR6T5b-QUJ6WH-JdXeSU Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 Have you got a spare HTA and a sharp razor saw? Yes and yes, but I'm not doing it! I have one HTA, but it'll stay as it is because I don't want to model the bang up to date rail scene, unlike some I try and keep stock current but allow it to be based around 2009/10/11, so I can run some 'retro' liveries I remember from early trainspotting days. As the HKAs were repainted circa 2010 IIRC, or even 2014 when I saw them at Arpley, this is fine, but as the HTA was cut n shut this month, it's a bit current for me. Also, I'm still trying to get rid of the HIAs, so if anyone wants them please PM. Thanks, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 So I've done an hour or so after I returned from a nice relaxing few days in North Wales, during which I went to Ffestiniog from Porthmadog on the F&WHR. I must not model narrow gauge, I must not... I started by adding a support for the coupling of my KFA container wagon, after both of the little lugs that hold the couplings up snapped off at each end. A simple affair of some plasticard cut to shape and glued in place. Whilst I was painting this, I also painted the wheel faces black... I've also painted the black on HKA today, with the underframe and hopper doors, interior (partly), bufferbeam fittings, bogie dampers (chassis mounted ones) and recessed control panels all being given a coat. Whilst they were drying, I had a play... Today I went and did some trainspotting. I'd had a tip off that some newly refurbished wagons were leaving Fordley WRD for Stoke Marcroft for finishing, and that DB 'maple leaf' 67018 was the booked traction. The wagons duly departed, with the Canadian loco leading, followed by an MXA Which is obviously going for transfers to be applied. (The rattle can red and Hornby's red match very well!) Then there was a Tiphook KFA: And a freshly repainted HKA, again going for some big DB stickers: Luckily the train slowed to a halt, so I grabbed some detail piccies in case I want to model one..... And then off it went, with a buffer fitted HTA tailing. I believe this is going to Stoke for assessment as to whether it can be shortened or not..... A bit of fun. Thanks, Jack. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 Many thanks for all the likes and replies recently...very encouraging they are! This evening I've done a little more on RSC1 (977868). I was going to apply transfers, but then I realised I haven't painted the ends, and when I went to paint the ends, I realised I haven't added the electrical jumper sockets, so it was out with the plastic strip and craft knife... However, I decided to use my new favourite solvent 'plastic weld', but this brought about its own issues when I discovered just how thin a liquid it is, and some ran onto the yellow paint, and all I'll say is there's a nice fingerprint on the door and some yellow paint glued to my skin... And now for some more on the PFA. Today I've added the bufferbeam assemblies by plastic welding them to the chassis, and then the air tank, underframe etch and coupling 'springs' were added in their respective positions. I then fabricated some more solebar sign plates from plasticard, with a smaller square offset to create the hazchem holders. Also, a piece of square section was added on one side as per prototype pics, and an air reservoir test point is yet to be added on the opposite side. Whilst I was at it, some wheel splashers were added as seen from prototype pictures, simply cut from plasticard sheet and super glued to the brass fold up lugs: More soon, Jack. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Hi Jack, great stuff! how did you repaint the HKA? the red looks great on them? what paint did you use? currently in the process of doing some DB rba's and can't get the red right! Also how did you do the buffers on the HTA? is it a kit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted April 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2017 Hi Jack, More excellent modelling and inspiration! I'm sure you're not the first to do that with Plastic Weld, and won't be the last, I've made the same Oops a few times (you'd think after the first, maybe second, I'd learn, wouldn't you...?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 how did you repaint the HKA...can't get the red right! Also how did you do the buffers on the HTA? is it a kit? Cheers WCML100...the paint is Halford's Fiat red orange...it's a rattle can designed for respraying cars, but is excellent for model railways. It requires three or four thin-ish coats to build up density, but the 15 (10 I've found) minute drying time makes this process faster than if using an airbrush. The end result is a glossy (albeit thick) coat, perfect for transfers! Just be aware that if you try and apply too much as I did on the MXA, the paint will crack. I'm yet to see whether I can rectify this, but my advice would be to build up a coat so that the whole surface is shiny, but if in doubt don't overdo it. The buffers for the HTA are from a Hurst Models MCA/MDA kit (now out of production and rare as hen's teeth), the buffers and underframe parts for which I picked up for a quid on a club's odds n ends stand at a show. Buffers are easy to fabricate from plasticard, so I'd say give this a go if you can't find suitable ones as spares. The hole for the EZ mate coupling was blanked off with plasticard, and a Brassmasters coupling hook added, and that was all that needed doing really. If you've any more questions, feel free to ask. Thanks, Jack. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 very interesting about the fiat red orange! i will give that a go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 14, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 14, 2017 very interesting about the fiat red orange! i will give that a go! Just don't ask Jack for advice about yellow....................... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Just don't ask Jack for advice about yellow.......................Oi! It'll do for me... This evening I've painted the ends of the Network Rail coach black, and sanded down the door that'll need repainting. I'll only do the door as I can mask around the lines and even if the colour is a slightly different shade, the REAL railway uses different colours of yellow anyway, so if this happened in real life, they wouldn't bother to match the exact colour, as seen in the link below... https://www.flickr.com/photos/94823469@N03/27260456360/in/photolist-HwUXWh-SoU6ma-So6czN-zya7Qw-dv2xFB-ry1anm-sZ6enR-JS67sf-RULffT-coNWD5-auG9gf-qNGsSg-gLMF8Z-NKYanp-HPZjxi-daVUAo-gSbhdX-jR1vka-z5Euc1-dYDPyK-SLcq6b-RP8nnH-joHeVR-BGqWRa-9x4rAP-o6CFEW-e6B4w9-arMhcq-bkmqDf-e6vX9e-bWm69h-pcxSwH-dSk1Mm-QAAkcV-nL3bkf-nyoZyd-q5vBzp-bem7aa-mnam6w-J5kS1W-dGVoEG-kxFynT-pvSmm5-dTL6yP-aJLMzc-btHo2Z-jkGgDn-dKDoe5-cR2iGu-pepKVW Also I've finished the PFA before priming/painting, although I'm sure something will crop up that I've missed. I've added the handbrake levers, but I thought the etch could be improved upon. So, I cut the ladders off as these are attached sperately anyway, and mounted these with tiny shims of plasticard. Then I bent the etch to shape, and bent the actual handle a few times as per prototype pics, and mounted this with super glue... I've also added the test point cylinder in the above pic, by cutting a small piece of tube and square rod to represent this. Finally, I noticed that I'd actually assembled the floor etch the wrong way up, so the DC Kits branding was visible. This was rectified with a small piece of paper to act as if something has been plated over... That's all for a few days as I'm off to Grimsby of all places...a trip to Barnetby and Leeds are possibly on the cards.... Thanks, Jack. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) (All items sold) Thanks, Jack. Edited April 22, 2017 by Jack374 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Here's another set of wagons for sale...4x Bachmann POA scrap wagons in weathered green livery. Two have outer couplings fitted (see pictures), one of which is actualy fitted better than the original due to it being able to move laterally. The inner wagons have Brassmasters coupling hooks and three links fitted, which will traverse first radius curves. They're all boxed in pristine boxes... And that should conclude the items for sale. Back to some modelling... This evening I've done a bit more on the megafrets, by adding the coupling to one bogie. This was fashioned from plastic strip and plasticard, and was glued together with plastic weld (my new favourite glue!) And the second bufferbeam/valance for the 67 has had buffer backplates added along with a hole for the coupling hook... Thanks, Jack. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 Evening all... A very brief project has seen me sort out my BDA wagon in EWS livery. Having never seen one in this colour scheme and with the prototype livery being short lived, I blanked off the EWS logos with a strip of black paint, so it could either be a weathered brown livery or an EWS example with a patch over the former logo, under DB operation. Other than this, I added plastic strip for stanchions, bent with heat from a soldering iron, and then painted these 'dark rust', and also weathered the deck... Also, I've acquired a third VGA van for a bargain price from my local model shop's second hand section, and I set about painting the ends yellow as per prototypes. This will be a fairly clean van, to take advantage of the existing livery, as I've found pictures of vans that have had their sides painted silver but nothing else. More soon, Jack. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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