RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2014 When they have finished at Dawlish can you send the lads to finish the station front at Didcot? Give 'em a chance - they've only been at it for about a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2014 A clever use of fibreglass moulds and concrete to recreate the stone pattern on the seaward side of the wall. Apologies if this has been asked previously, but is the embossed concrete facing a temporary finish until real stone can face it? Is it going to be coloured in some way to match the existing wall or is it going to be left to colour and weather naturally over time? Hi Andy - this is the final finish - concrete moulded in a masonry pattern (pattern taken from elsewhere on the wall). We believe that it will weather down quite quickly under marine conditions... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2014 I was wondering when that would get out!! Me too...! (been out all day on family business). I'm not sure that the BBC have got the tonnages of material right, I think it's rather less than that, yet still a substantial amount. I'm hoping to visit the location next week (between Sprey Point and Smugglers Cove). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2014 I was wondering when that would get out!! I saw the report earlier and was hoping the figure quoted had one zero too many on the end! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Dread Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I saw the report earlier and was hoping the figure quoted had one zero too many on the end! John Never let the truth cloud a good story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2014 I saw the report earlier and was hoping the figure quoted had one zero too many on the end! John Whatever the amount CK and crew appear to be on top of it. (NOT literally) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 One question about the new repair - it seems to be being built to much stronger standards than the remaining undamaged sections of the sea wall, which of course is right and proper - but will this mean that the remaining old sections of the wall could face increased attrition or damaging forces in future storms? Or is there a plan to upgrade the remaining undamaged sections in the medium term to give a consistent level of protection along the whole wall? I'm just curious whether the very different methods of construction have measurably different levels of resistance and if this differential might cause future problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightengine Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 If only they had the benefit of hindsight. Teignmouth station has only recently been repainted. A much better job could have been done during the closure since Feb 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Just seen an interesting activity for Train Simulator 2013 has been uploaded to UKTrainSim: http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=32567 - delivering rebuilding materials to Dawlish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Many thanks for the pictures and informative updates CK. A clever use of fibreglass moulds and concrete to recreate the stone pattern on the seaward side of the wall. Apologies if this has been asked previously, but is the embossed concrete facing a temporary finish until real stone can face it? Is it going to be coloured in some way to match the existing wall or is it going to be left to colour and weather naturally over time? Huge respect to the Orange Army and a big like on the Dawlish 'Facebook' page. There's a few photos here curtsey of the Eye of Dawlish facebook page as well. https://www.facebook.com/EODawlish/posts/750857284939432 Keep up the excellent work Captain, Gary and the Orange Army! I'm looking forward to heading back down west next month (in the dark mind on the Night Riv) but i'll certainly spare a thought for all your excellent work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) One question about the new repair - it seems to be being built to much stronger standards than the remaining undamaged sections of the sea wall, which of course is right and proper - but will this mean that the remaining old sections of the wall could face increased attrition or damaging forces in future storms? Or is there a plan to upgrade the remaining undamaged sections in the medium term to give a consistent level of protection along the whole wall? I'm just curious whether the very different methods of construction have measurably different levels of resistance and if this differential might cause future problems. It is great to see so much effort going into to repairing the damage to restore the line to Cornwall. Superb effort by all those concerned and nice to see so much appreciation (richly deserved) of those involved. Even Network Rail and the Government seem to be working well together and pulling all the stops out to finish it early, which hopefully bodes well for the future of other projects. I guess they can only repair what needs mending, and other parts may have better and geologically stronger foundations to adhere to. The sea always attacks the coast line and will find any weak spots, perhaps there are plans to put in extra defences in vulnerable places in the future. I guess like everything funds are scarce and reopening as quickly as possible is the goal Well done to the lads in yellow Edited March 16, 2014 by hayfield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Here is the update for Atlantic conditions from the USA for 17th March. http://www.opc.ncep.noaa.gov/shtml/qdtm86bw.gif It does appear to be on the cusp of change, with a cold front on your horizon. Nothing unusual in this at this time of the year but it does look like the pleasant conditions will begin to deteriorate somewhat after tomorrow. Best, Pete. Edited March 16, 2014 by trisonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2014 Hi Andy - this is the final finish - concrete moulded in a masonry pattern (pattern taken from elsewhere on the wall). We believe that it will weather down quite quickly under marine conditions... However if it doesn't we now know what 'special activities' the good Cap'n is arranging for the Taunton weekend - charabanc to Dawlish and a chat with the locals to explain 'these are a party of scenic colouring experts who have come to blend in the appearance of the concrete section with that of the old wall.' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted March 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2014 However if it doesn't we now know what 'special activities' the good Cap'n is arranging for the Taunton weekend - charabanc to Dawlish and a chat with the locals to explain 'these are a party of scenic colouring experts who have come to blend in the appearance of the concrete section with that of the old wall.' Whose going to supply all the waterproof weathering powders or perhaps the new seawall could be sponsored by Greenscene or Woodland Scenics. Jamie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 One way of ageing concrete/blockwork/brickwork is to brush it over with milk that's 'on the turn'; however, always do it before going off-site for the weekend.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 However if it doesn't we now know what 'special activities' the good Cap'n is arranging for the Taunton weekend - charabanc to Dawlish and a chat with the locals to explain 'these are a party of scenic colouring experts who have come to blend in the appearance of the concrete section with that of the old wall.' The manufacturers of Colron had better prepare for a big order... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted March 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2014 Fat Controller, on 16 Mar 2014 - 14:01, said:One way of ageing concrete/blockwork/brickwork is to brush it over with milk that's 'on the turn'; however, always do it before going off-site for the weekend.. Another way I was told a few years ago was to brush it over with watered down cow sh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2014 One way of ageing concrete/blockwork/brickwork is to brush it over with milk that's 'on the turn'; however, always do it before going off-site for the weekend.. It depends on how porous the concrete is. Plain yogurt is even more effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Controlled landslip - rock slump in last 48 hours - danger to line - 350,000 tons of rock involved http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26593362 I heard 35,000 tonnes. Still a lot of lorry movements to shift that lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2014 I heard 35,000 tonnes. Still a lot of lorry movements to shift that lot. Sounds more like it. I'm going to find out more shortly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2014 One question about the new repair - it seems to be being built to much stronger standards than the remaining undamaged sections of the sea wall, which of course is right and proper - but will this mean that the remaining old sections of the wall could face increased attrition or damaging forces in future storms? Or is there a plan to upgrade the remaining undamaged sections in the medium term to give a consistent level of protection along the whole wall? I'm just curious whether the very different methods of construction have measurably different levels of resistance and if this differential might cause future problems. We know that the areas of the wall (a large percentage of it) with the higher walkway and foundation strengthening has withstood the storms much better. However, this is literally an on-going discussion, so more regarding the future of the wall will no doubt emerge from 'the wash' as time passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2014 However if it doesn't we now know what 'special activities' the good Cap'n is arranging for the Taunton weekend Rest assured, gentle readers, that I haven't forgotten about the Taunton weekend.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I heard 35,000 tonnes. Still a lot of lorry movements to shift that lot. Sounds more like it. I'm going to find out more shortly... With that amount of rock which is in the process of becoming sand, I wonder that instead of shifting it elsewhere that it wouldn't be best to chuck it over the side to the sea and let wave action pulverise it and distribute the same along the beaches that have been denuded. If you move it just where are you going to put that much debris, 35,000 tons being about 17,000 cubic metres of rubble, or a pile about 100ft square at the base 60ft high, assuming no slope on the sides. That's a lot of rock to find a home for. It's still a lot for the sea to get rid of, but without the railway it would have had to have done so anyway. Two pix of landslips. Sidmouth, 2013 - small slip of rock similar to that at Dawlish. Gets broken up pretty quickly. Slips like this are happening frequently. Bucks Mills (Between Westward Ho! and Hartland - Lundy on the horizon) - bit harder rock forming a spit out to sea. Been there for some years. Landslips could continue for some time as at Lyme Regis http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-26445939 Edited March 16, 2014 by Coombe Barton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 It depends on how porous the concrete is. Plain yogurt is even more effectiveThey hadn't invented yoghurt when dad had me doing it in 1970.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandman Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 RJS1977, on 16 Mar 2014 - 14:30, said:The manufacturers of Colron had better prepare for a big order... Sounds as though Allan Downes is due a holiday down in the west country later this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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