balders Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 No, she was active certainly in November. Last one I saw in operational use on my first ever memorable trip to York, on a KX evening train.spine tingling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted November 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hadn't seen this thread before But here's some of my collection... 3 from the Lancashire outpost that is Morecambe unfortunatly its now a bit run down and not a patch on the 1970's when I went there on Holiday D299Morecambe1973.jpg 299 (40099) at Morecambe 22/07/1973 40099Morecambe1973.jpg 299 (40099) at Sunny Morecambe by the sea 22/07/1973 It must have been some kind of rail open day as behind it is E3018 later 81016 bit of an excuse for modellers to have an electric in a platform with its pan up but no wires.. 40197Morecambe1981.jpg 40197 runs round its oil tanks at Morecambe c.1981 Cheers Steve PS. not my shots but I own the copyright. Two interesting shots of 299 - I must admit I haven't seen any 40's (especially in BR blue) without the 'D' prefix or full BR number (40099); was this common? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail Announcement Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 40016 in the scrap Yard at Swindon works: http://railpicturelibrary.zenfolio.com/p793657826/h50a34e5a#h50a34e5a Withdrawn 40107 at Crewe works: http://railpicturelibrary.zenfolio.com/p793657826/h50a34e5a#h50a34e5a 40129 and 40074 at Doncaster works: http://railpicturelibrary.zenfolio.com/p793657826/h3938332e#h3938332e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Two interesting shots of 299 - I must admit I haven't seen any 40's (especially in BR blue) without the 'D' prefix or full BR number (40099); was this common? David Here's the principle, records will attest how common in practice it actually was... The D-prefix was basically dropped from repaints into blue, shortly after the end of steam on 11th August '68. So, locos repainted into blue, pre-TOPS during 1966 - 8/68 received the D prefix. Repaints between the end of steam and TOPS, 9/68 - 5/73 (electrics were earlier) received the number only. Repaints after TOPS received the TOPS number (many had already been green TOPS). The speed of Class 40 repaints wasn't unduly hasty, but neither was it indecently slow, as plenty of D-prefix Blue locos show. There's no real evidence that speed of repainting slowed between 1968 and '73, so there should by rights be an appropriate number of no-D blue locos. Russell Saxton has a database I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 It's one of Dad's photos, reproduced below to save looking at the flickr link. The date is correct, he'd moved to Harrogate that Easter and it was one of his early visits to York. York York Class 40 D252 down parecls Aug 65 J243.jpg York Class 40 D252 down parcels Aug 65 J243 Another one of D252 a year later with the nose ladder in place. Again the date is correct. k Hessle Class 40 D252 Kings X to Hull Sept 66 J648.jpg Hessle Class 40 D252 Kings X to Hull Sept 66 J648 David Excellent photos David, thanks. We might speculate that D252 was the last EE type 4 to retain its ladder, if it was still there in Sep 1966. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60091 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Another one bites the dust... 40 080 at Doncaster in 1984..... nice lupins Edited November 18, 2014 by 60091 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted November 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2014 Here's the principle, records will attest how common in practice it actually was... The D-prefix was basically dropped from repaints into blue, shortly after the end of steam on 11th August '68. So, locos repainted into blue, pre-TOPS during 1966 - 8/68 received the D prefix. Repaints between the end of steam and TOPS, 9/68 - 5/73 (electrics were earlier) received the number only. Repaints after TOPS received the TOPS number (many had already been green TOPS). The speed of Class 40 repaints wasn't unduly hasty, but neither was it indecently slow, as plenty of D-prefix Blue locos show. There's no real evidence that speed of repainting slowed between 1968 and '73, so there should by rights be an appropriate number of no-D blue locos. Russell Saxton has a database I think. Thank you; much appreciated - for some reason I haven't seen that in the books I have on the class... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2014 Here's the principle, records will attest how common in practice it actually was... The D-prefix was basically dropped from repaints into blue, shortly after the end of steam on 11th August '68. So, locos repainted into blue, pre-TOPS during 1966 - 8/68 received the D prefix. Repaints between the end of steam and TOPS, 9/68 - 5/73 (electrics were earlier) received the number only. Repaints after TOPS received the TOPS number (many had already been green TOPS). The speed of Class 40 repaints wasn't unduly hasty, but neither was it indecently slow, as plenty of D-prefix Blue locos show. There's no real evidence that speed of repainting slowed between 1968 and '73, so there should by rights be an appropriate number of no-D blue locos. Russell Saxton has a database I think. As far as I can tell the earliest Blue repaints were done in May or June 1967. So there's probably only just over a year of D prefix blue locos before the D was dropped. I'm guessing at something like a 6 or 7 year paint cycle would have applied, so you might be talking around 35-40 locos in Blue D livery by Autumn 1968. Around 35 locos got their TOPS numbers whilst still in Green livery, so by rights there should have been around 125 locos in Blue no-D prefix by late 1973. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-e Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 40012 was always a favourite of mine probably as it hung on for so long. With nothing better to do after the festive period it was off to Leeds in 1985 40012 at Carlisle 1E23 10:40 Carlisle - Leeds 2nd January 1985 40012 at Skipton 1E23 10:40 Carlisle - Leeds 2nd January 1985 40012 at Leeds same day 02/01/1985 Later on in 1986 40012 was one of a few class 40's used for the Crewe re-modelling so 40012 with new number 97407 and old number 212 seen at Preston. 97407 awaits its fate in the Carlisle Kingmoor Scrap line c.1986 luckily it was preserved. Cheers Steve 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60091 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Ok - one more of 40 012 Not a good quality shot, but something different. This was one of a series of diversions through Manchester Piccadilly on March 1st 1983, and the only one hauled by a Class 40. Unfortunately I didn't make any notes about which services were being diverted. 40 012 with 86 243 Edited November 18, 2014 by 60091 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 40101 at Eastfield, June 1980. I've only just noticed again the LNER full brake conversion behind the loco - Gresley-style bogies and faux matchboarding. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 To continue on the 40012 theme 40012 was a stand by loco at Manchester Victoria on the 6th August 1983 45121 arrived and was failed on the York - Llandudno (09-39) 40012 removed 45121 40012 departed on the late running York - Llandudno (10-07) A fairly slick operation at a busy station 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted November 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2014 40012 was always a favourite of mine probably as it hung on for so long. 40012Carlisle1985.jpg With nothing better to do after the festive period it was off to Leeds in 1985 40012 at Carlisle 1E23 10:40 Carlisle - Leeds 2nd January 1985 40012SkiptonJan1985.jpg 40012 at Skipton 1E23 10:40 Carlisle - Leeds 2nd January 1985 40012Leeds02011985.jpg 40012 at Leeds same day 02/01/1985 40012Preston1986.jpg Later on in 1986 40012 was one of a few class 40's used for the Crewe re-modelling so 40012 with new number 97407 and old number 212 seen at Preston. 97407Carlislec.1986.jpg 97407 awaits its fate in the Carlisle Kingmoor Scrap line c.1986 luckily it was preserved. Cheers Steve Excellent shot of 212 as 97407 - be interesting trying to get two sets of numbers on the side of a Farish 40! I guess the Crewe re-modelling didn't last that long though so limited time bracket for a model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted November 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2014 To continue on the 40012 theme 40012 was a stand by loco at Manchester Victoria on the 6th August 1983 40012 MV 060883 a.jpg 45121 arrived and was failed on the York - Llandudno (09-39) 40012,45121 MV 060883 b.jpg 40012 removed 45121 40012,45121 MV 060883 c.jpg 40012 departed on the late running York - Llandudno (10-07) 40012 MV 060883 d.jpg A fairly slick operation at a busy station I have several shots of 40012 at Prestatyn during this time so was clearly something of a frequent visitor along the Coast... Great pics; keep 'em coming! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 I am enjoying the pics of 40012, I didn't see many class 40s but 012 was one of them although it was a 97 when I saw it the first time. Pic on page 1. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I don't know about 40012, but here is 40013 at Kings Cross - with 55008 in the background. 1st September 1981 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Excellent photos David, thanks. We might speculate that D252 was the last EE type 4 to retain its ladder, if it was still there in Sep 1966. Well that speculation lasted all of 72 hours. Chris Turnbull has turned up a photo on his thread (see post 214) of D253, not just with a nose ladder but also a full yellow end, taken in April 1969. I can't quite believe it, and it begs the question - did any EE Type 4 reach the 1970s with a nose ladder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2014 As is often the case Brush Veteran to the rescue - April 1970 still with nose ladder https://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6266253728/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-e Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I always though 40158 looked pretty cool with its plated over headcode panel. 40158 seen at Preston with a Lancaster to Preston Drag November 1983 Cheers Steve 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 As is often the case Brush Veteran to the rescue - April 1970 still with nose ladder https://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6266253728/ Excellent detective work. I wonder when D253 went blue? Maybe it kept the ladder until then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted November 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2014 I always liked the split headcode dominos, like this pic of 40143 passing through Prestatyn with a sulphur train 30/08/84: Copyright Dave Sallery, used with permission But my favourite 40 has to be 40104 (my N gauge model of which is currently gracing the RMweb masthead ) seen here storming through Prestatyn 30/08/84: Copyright Dave Sallery, used with permission David 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) It was at Crewe Works in June and July 1971 for dual braking, so would have gone blue then. It made less than 5 years service in blue - it was the first dual-braked loco to be withdrawn, after an accident in Fordoun, near Stonehaven, Scotland on 12 June 1976. Edited November 19, 2014 by stovepipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-e Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Here is a Study of Class 40 40121 HM at York c.1982 Overall shot of 40121 Bogie detail and missing water tank Missing water tank area. Cab number detail Driver door detail Nose end detail. Hope they are of use to someone. Cheers Steve 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted November 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2014 Great pics Steve; some good detail points there... Please forgive my ignorance, but what did the black stars signify above the buffers? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2014 Great pics Steve; some good detail points there... Please forgive my ignorance, but what did the black stars signify above the buffers? David Blue star multiple working coupling code. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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