RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2014 Hi All Back in 2009 I drew, using Templot, the track plan for the two road servicing shed at Tinsley Marshalling Yard. I had printed the plan but thought it had been given to the nice dustman who calls on a Thursday. With the old computer giving up the go I thought I had lost all. The other night while searching for Midland Railway signal box information I found the printed version. So I have decided that I will start this as a long term project. I have been off to Staples and have four copies now which to use for working with. The time period will be very soon after the opening of the yard, this will mean I can have a large variety of diesel classes. There is a line that is electrified towards the front of the layout, this was an engine line that locos coming from the reception sidings would either make their way to the west departure sidings at the other end of the yard, as well as coming on shed. Locos using this line would include some EM2s and even the odd steam loco, like an 8F or a WD. The track plan. The line climbing up to the main shed will provide part of the backdrop. I will incude a static model of the hump so the engine line, for the east departure sidings, at the front has somewhere to disappear under. There is no natural scenic break at the western end so the plan is to let the scenic matter to fade out as it becomes a fiddle yard. To start with the electrified line behind the shed will not be operational but one day a set of boards will be made to enable EM2s to trundle past with trains to the reception sidings. When I was doing my first research into the possibility of modelling the depot I looked on Multimaps and their "bird’s eye" view of Tinsley showed it in the throes of being dismantled but it does give an idea of what the baseboards will look like without the buildings on them. The progress will be very slow so do not expect regular updates. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2014 Sounds and looks great looking forward to the next update even if it is 6 months time if it's half as good as your previous depots can't wait! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 An early question about Tinsley is in regard of a signal on the line taken by the Woodhead trains into the repection sidings. In this photo by Russell Saxton the EM 1 is appraoching a signal with only one aspect. There is a shunt signal below it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/33751709@N05/4916611181/in/pool-tinsleyyard/ On the signal diagram that appeared in Rail Express February 2004 it shows the signal to only have a red aspect, with the shunt signal below it. Would this have always shown red, and any incoming trains halt until given line clear indcation by the shunt signal? The signal number was TY246. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Looking forward to seeing this one grow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-e Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Heres one of my photos showing the area from the bridge. http://www.flickr.com/photos/northbriton/9814418553/ Cheers Steve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Heres one of my photos showing the area from the bridge. http://www.flickr.com/photos/northbriton/9814418553/ Cheers Steve Hi Steve Thanks for the photo, everyone I view has something new in it. I wonder how the tractor on rails performed compared to a class 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnut Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Look forward to seeing this develop. My hometown shed. Many a weekend spent on the embankment adjacent to the area you will now be modelling Clive. Hump shunters could shift anything....no competition! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Hi All To start with the electrified line behind the shed will not be operational but one day a set of boards will be made to enable EM2s to trundle past with trains to the reception sidings. Hi Nice plan but surely you mean EM1s as the EM2s were primarily for passenger work. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Clive - http://www.flickr.com/groups/tinsleyyard/ might be of use. Gareth Bayer had a layout proposal for part of TI under the Scalefour Society's 1883 Challenge a few years back - sadly the link no longer works and I don't seem to have saved an electronic copy. I might have hard copy in my library, will have an investigate. Feb 2004 Rail Express has a modelling piece - Class 13s and a fold-out trackplan. - Again, I probably have this in the library somewhere. Edited February 10, 2014 by CloggyDeux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Banger Blue Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 An early question about Tinsley is in regard of a signal on the line taken by the Woodhead trains into the repection sidings. In this photo by Russell Saxton the EM 1 is appraoching a signal with only one aspect. There is a shunt signal below it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/33751709@N05/4916611181/in/pool-tinsleyyard/ On the signal diagram that appeared in Rail Express February 2004 it shows the signal to only have a red aspect, with the shunt signal below it. Would this have always shown red, and any incoming trains halt until given line clear indcation by the shunt signal? The signal number was TY246. Sounds like a fixed red aspect. We have similar on Reading Train Care Depot. Any unit routed into the Arrivals road will get a single yellow in the station then arrive at a fixed red (RD15). Any movement past this is controlled by the ground position light below. (Slightly OT) If a unit is routed into any of the other sidings, the driver will get two whites on a position light in the station then a siding number in an indication box at the yard entrance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Clive - http://www.flickr.com/groups/tinsleyyard/ might be of use. Just corrected the link. I'm glad I started that Flickr group, although you can search in Flickr its still easier if stuff is all in one place This one might be useful too http://www.flickr.com/groups/1811109@N25/ Edited February 10, 2014 by Talltim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2014 Whilst on the subject of hump shunters, a bit of an arcane question maybe, but, does anybody know if the "Pilot Delta" radio set was a portable or fixed one? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Hi Nice plan but surely you mean EM1s as the EM2s were primarily for passenger work. Cheers Paul Well spotted there Paul, what a wally I am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Thank you Alan and Tim There are a few photos in that group that I have not found when searching Tinsley Yard, Tinsley Depot and Class 13. I did find this group as well if anyone else is interested http://www.flickr.com/groups/tinsleyyard/ Wally moment number 2......I thought the link was to the class 13 group not the one Tim had started and Alan had linked to. Edited February 10, 2014 by Clive Mortimore 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emt_911 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Looking forward to seeing this develop in your capable hands Clive. Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Yes! Clive's going to have some proper locos as well as all those smelly diesels... Andi Edited February 10, 2014 by Dagworth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yes! Clive's going to have some proper locos as well as all those smelly diesels... Andi Looking forward to running a P4 8F or may be a Black Five 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-e Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Hi Steve Thanks for the photo, everyone I view has something new in it. I wonder how the tractor on rails performed compared to a class 13 Yeah saw that I take it they must have had some kind of signalling protection on to protect the line as it does appear to be 'parked' on the hump... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2014 Yeah saw that I take it they must have had some kind of signalling protection on to protect the line as it does appear to be 'parked' on the hump... It's actually parked at the end of the hump engine release siding. There was probably some weekend maintenance going on in the reception sidings so maybe it was tucked at the end out of the way ready for it's next stint. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted February 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2014 Hi Clive Are you going DCC with this project and how much space do you have play with? Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 12, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2014 Hi Clive Are you going DCC with this project and how much space do you have play with? Cheers Paul Hi Paul P4 is going to be a big step, let alone DCC as well. The layout will be a little over 20 feet long and just under 3 feet at its widest, I have not decided how long the fiddle yards will be as yet. The rationale around the layout is to show that even small depots were quite big by doing it to scale. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted February 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hi Interesting timing as one of the plans in the free Model Rail booklet this month is of the servicing shed at Tinsley. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobster Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 A great project Clive - I look forward to watching this develop. Cheers. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted February 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hi Paul P4 is going to be a big step, let alone DCC as well. The layout will be a little over 20 feet long and just under 3 feet at its widest, I have not decided how long the fiddle yards will be as yet. The rationale around the layout is to show that even small depots were quite big by doing it to scale. Sounds good, DCC is scary enough without P4, it's amazing how much space 'small' things take up! Looking forward to seeing this good luck. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 13, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Hi Interesting timing as one of the plans in the free Model Rail booklet this month is of the servicing shed at Tinsley. Cheers Paul Hi Paul I might have to buy Model Rail to have a butchers at it. I dug out a 1/1250 track plan of the whole yard, it must have been drawn while construction was taking place as there are some bits of the main shed that were slightly different when it was built. It was printed (I think) in the old dye line method and some of the details have over time become blurred and difficult to read. These details include the type of switch and the crossing angle of the points. Where I can see them they are excellent and helpful but where they are now blurred not so good. The complete drawing is 10 feet long. I have scanned in the section I will hopefully be modelling. The attached is a resized version so it would not be too big for the forum. The track work is a right old mix. Most is flatbottom with either BR1 base plates with a few places what look like ST base plates and may be some Mills Clips. There are two panels of concrete sleppers outside the shed building, the rest seems to be wooden sleepers. I am not too sure if engine line that the EM1s use to bypass the shed is not bullhead. The "Hump" was bullhead. Thankfully Colin Craig makes some of the fixing types I need and in his artilce in DEMU's Update winter 2003 he states that the concrete sleepers made by C&L were used with MRC 5 baseplates and Mills Clips, so I might be OK for those two panels of track. All the track was laid pre Pandrol Clip era. Another minor problem is the point work is flatbottom rail and no one does suitable baseplates for the crossings or slide chairs for the switches. Colin Craigs slide chairs he makes for the Pandrol Clip points might be suitable. Edit, forgot to say the track plan drawing cost me 20p about 30 years ago. Edited February 13, 2014 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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