Raised On Steam Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Nice! I thought for a terrible moment you'd posed it in some snow though. Phew! Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 ...dozens, if not hundreds of personnel beavering away at their drawing boards/workstations, distilling ideas, yet it would always be the guy in the top office that would be given the credit... The chief designer/engineer/panjandrum who gets the 'credit' is the person who takes the responsibility for the consequences of putting their name to 'this is the product design evolved under my direction that is going to be built to meet the required spec.'. Credit came when it did the job, resignation might be required if it didn't... The design though is better thought of as the work of a drawing office, whoever's name is signed to it. So in respect of the LNER, the wide firebox classes were Doncaster, the J38/39 and D49 Darlington. Look at what happened when a new 4-6-0 was required. Doncaster struggled with the CME's requirements for the new design, to keep within the strictures imposed by the GE section track. Eventually the job was contracted out, and NBL found it couldn't be done either, and had to obtain some relaxations from the original requirements to come up with a workable design. One rather feels that Gresley might have saved time and money by accepting his own shop's view... .... Were the B1 and K1 not built from parts that already existed, as group standard rather than parts deliberately designed by Gresley. The signature, or hangover, of the NER style standardisation is what I can see, being a group standard tender, cab, dome, buffers, etc. Boilers could be swapped between similar classes, like L1, as could wheels etc. I would suspect that Darlingtons drawing office and ideas played a large part in the use of standard kit to keep designing simple, repairs easy, replacements quick and costs down. All the significant railways that became part of the LNER practised standardisation, the GER arguably the most efficiently of the five larger companies. What was then standardised from their practises for further standard design and construction by the LNER would make a very interesting study; it appears to be a real gallimaufrey. Some things are abundantly clear: the GNR's wide firebox boiler, eight wheel large tender and nominal driving wheel diameters for example are LNER group standards. The form of double side window cab was a very late adoption by the GNR from the GER. The LNER six wheel GS tenders look like a hybrid of GCR and NER practise to me. (Has anyone ever picked this all apart?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfisher24 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Here is my example not quite finished but getting there, the loco has still to be renumbered as a scottish example and some more weathering is needed but i will wait until i have the loco renumbered before doing this. I am thinking 62011,62025 or 62052 but havnt yet decided. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Lovely! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I've been doing a bit of rummaging through my shed allocation books this afternoon. No guarantee of accuracy, just quoting what was published! My interest is Cambridge/East Anglia, so it isn't a definitive list, but just ER sheds that could have provided locos for traffic in (mainly) that area. Might be of use to others? 31B March: 62011/12/13/14/15/16/17/18/19/20/31/32/33/34/35/36/37/38/39/40/51/52/53/54/55/66/67/68/69/70. 31A Cambridge: 62036/39. 36A Doncaster: 62014/15/36/37/38/40/51/53/55/66/68/69. 36E Retford: 62015/19/37/39/40/51/54/67/70. 36C Frodingham: 62013/14/15/16/17/18/20/32/33/35/67. (There are dates listed too, but rather long winded to type them all out). Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 (There are dates listed too, but rather long winded to type them all out). I can't vouch for the accuracy of this site but I've found myself using it with more regularity as it's quicker that digging out the ABC's. Here is it's entry for 62011. http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=S&id=601101011&loco=62011 P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) The other side of K1 62027 ....straight from the box, un-edited except for re-sizing and sharpening. edit oops 62024! The running board is pretty good. Very nice. Congratulations Hornby. Edited January 16, 2015 by robmcg 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The other side of K1 62027 ....straight from the box, un-edited except for re-sizing and sharpening. The running board is pretty good. Very nice. Congratulations Hornby. Img_0657ab_r800ab.jpg It is possible then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It is possible then? It is, the 62024 I purchased is also all straight and true. Better yet it came out of the box with a silent and smooth running mechanism, with very sweet control available on a simple DC resistance controller; usually a good indicator of an extended and trouble free working life. Noticed that the tender side frames are relatively lightly attached, they will come away cleanly if I ever decide to apply 'square ended' frames. Something else pleasing that I didn't spot right away, Hornby have put some full size dimensions on the small drawing on the outer sleeve. These match the Isinglass drawing, and appropriately scaled, the model. The closer loco to tender setting provided on the drawbar is to scale, if these drawings may be trusted; the ensemble certainly looks right compared to photos. Generally on RTR models, I have had to work out the correct spacing for myself, and usually fool around with the drawbar arrangement to get loco and tender close enough. It goes back in the packaging at the closer spacing too, very convenient if the inner is retained for use as the servicing cradle. Mine's tentatively proposed for renumbering and allocation to March's 62054, if I can find any evidence it ever worked within 20 miles of KX goods. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It is, the 62024 I purchased is also all straight and true. Better yet it came out of the box with a silent and smooth running mechanism, with very sweet control available on a simple DC resistance controller; usually a good indicator of an extended and trouble free working life. Noticed that the tender side frames are relatively lightly attached, they will come away cleanly if I ever decide to apply 'square ended' frames. Something else pleasing that I didn't spot right away, Hornby have put some full size dimensions on the small drawing on the outer sleeve. These match the Isinglass drawing, and appropriately scaled, the model. The closer loco to tender setting provided on the drawbar is to scale, if these drawings may be trusted; the ensemble certainly looks right compared to photos. Generally on RTR models, I have had to work out the correct spacing for myself, and usually fool around with the drawbar arrangement to get loco and tender close enough. It goes back in the packaging at the closer spacing too, very convenient if the inner is retained for use as the servicing cradle. Mine's tentatively proposed for renumbering and allocation to March's 62054, if I can find any evidence it ever worked within 20 miles of KX goods. You could use one of Stratford's allocation if proximity to Kings Cross Goods is important. 62013 - 15 1958 - 1960 62019 1958 - 1961 62036 1958 - 1961 62037 1961 (only a few months) 62070 1959 - 1961 Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiltedsignaller Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Superb model, Hornby! I can smell the sea at Mallaig... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Whizz Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Look at what happened when a new 4-6-0 was required. Doncaster struggled with the CME's requirements for the new design, to keep within the strictures imposed by the GE section track. Eventually the job was contracted out, and NBL found it couldn't be done either, and had to obtain some relaxations from the original requirements to come up with a workable design. One rather feels that Gresley might have saved time and money by accepting his own shop's view... That's Consultants for you, all over. They pick the brains of your own staff, then produce a report and recommendation that is 75%- 80% what your people were telling you all along, but you didn't like hearing it from them, didn't trust them, and thought that because you could see their foibles and faults, the grass was certain to be greener on other hills. Most of the time though, it isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlink Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If anyone is interested in doing a Scottish K1 according to my Autumn 1961 Ian Allen shed book the following where at 63B Fort William/Mallaig 62011 62012 62031 62034 62052 I,m presently doing a couple from my area of York having already done 62005 which was a York loco in the early 60's others at York in Autumn were 62005 62009 62046 62047 62049 62056 62057 62061 62063 62065 Cheers Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 That's Consultants for you, all over. They pick the brains of your own staff, then produce a report and recommendation that is 75%- 80% what your people were telling you all along, but you didn't like hearing it from them, didn't trust them, and thought that because you could see their foibles and faults, the grass was certain to be greener on other hills. Most of the time though, it isn't. Though in defence of NBL, they at least had a track record of many successful loco designs built and operating. Unlike todays 'Insultant' (Instant consultant) who has the experience of his or her first degree, and is then launched on the world to give the benefit of their wisdom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Superb model, Hornby! I can smell the sea at Mallaig... I agree, here is my finished pic., for the moment... https://www.facebook.com/brsteamphotos/photos/pcb.408975485934789/408974965934841/?type=1&theater 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JhornG201 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Having received my K1 today a renumber was in order to give 62005. A coat of satin varnish, matt black smokebox, lining on the cylinders and fitting the detailing components really brings out the best of the K1. (ps. pictures taken on phone in a hurry) 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 That looks really smart, a matt black smokebox is a simple modification and one which really adds to the realism as it is usually eminently noticeable on all-black locos. Which paint have you used as it looks to have got just the right consistency. Cheers J 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JhornG201 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Humbrol 33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermodynamics Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The real thing at Fort William last summer. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Interesting to see the tops of the foot plate are also matt black. On the last couple of loco's I have painted I hvae done this little mod. It seemed quite convincing with the matt black smoke box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) A couple of shots at Fort William and Mallaig in August 2002 for those who might like to add the name to 62005. Possibly use the plates produced for the K4? I am not convinced that the cylinders are lined out. Only had a 1 megapixel camera in those days! Edited January 10, 2015 by Unknown Warrior 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Just had another trawl through my photos: 62005 on the turntable at Barrow Hill 11.11.2007. Cylinders definitely lined out and name plate background changed from blue to black, so more variety in preservation! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 If its K1 pictures your after...http://www.blackhatrailwaypictures.co.uk/p340258256 Ta da.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2015 If its K1 pictures your after... http://www.blackhatrailwaypictures.co.uk/p340258256 Ta da.... Like very much............ Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post silverlink Posted January 11, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2015 Just finished two K1's in readiness for Kendal show where they will be in use on 'Haymarket Cross' 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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