Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[DaveF]

Scotland next with some general views at Milerhill with not much happening but locos in the distance and one at Markinch.

 

 

Millerhill junction C7913

 

 

Millerhill view north 21st Aug 86 C7914

 

 

Millerhill view north 21st Aug 86 C7915

 

 

Millerhill 26002 coal to Cockenzie 21st Aug 86 C7919

 

 

Markinch 150250 up pass 24th April 92 C16798

 

David

[lmsforever]

In the second photo there are the remains of track coming in on the left , what were they and how different the yard looks today.

[DaveF]

24 minutes ago, lmsforever said:

In the second photo there are the remains of track coming in on the left , what were they and how different the yard looks today.

 

 

I think it was originally part of the yard, but I only ever saw it in that stae.  Just to the west was the coal mine at Millerhill. named Monktonhall.  It closed fully in 1997.

 

David

[DaveF]

Photos from visits to Crewe in 1971 and 1972.

 

 

Crewe Class 86 E3162 Euston to Liverpool 13th March 71 C488

 

 

Crewe Class 86 E3181 up Royal Scot 13th March 71 C492

 

 

Crewe Class 86 E3139 Euston to Carlisle 11.23a.m. Sat 5th Feb 72 C0806

 

 

Crewe Class 86 E3146 Liverpool Lime St to Euston 11.14a.m. Sat 5th Feb 72 C0807

 

 

Crewe Class 120 set 501 Shrewsbury to Crewe 5th Feb 72 C808

 

 

Crewe Class 86 E3107 Liverpool Lime St to Euston 5th Feb 72  C819

 

David

Edited October 1, 2023 by DaveF

[DaveF]

Two places beginning with F come next, Fenny Compton and Four Oaks.

 

Two of the Four Oaks photos were taken a few moments apart and show the same train but thereare  interesting bits at the edges of the frames.

 

 

Fenny Compton Class 47 Birmingham to Paddington July 71 J2723

 

 

Fenny Compton Class 47 1720 up Ford cars July 71 J2724

 

 

Near Fenny Compton Class 46 173 up coal July 71 J2725

 

 

Four Oaks Class 101 Four Oaks to New Street April 71 J2633

 

 

Four Oaks Class 101 Four Oaks to New Street April 71 J2633a

 

 

Four Oaks LNWR bridge over A453 April 71 J2634

 

David

 

[DaveF]

The Blyth and Tyne at Freeman's crossing, Cambois and North Blyth in November and December 2016.  At this time coal was still being imported through the terminal at Blyth.

 

 

BSC_2095   Freemans crossing 66712 15 Nov 16 empties to Blyth harbour

 

 

BSC_2116  North Blyth 66070 15 Nov 16 coal leaving Blyth harbour

 

 

BSC_2131  Freemans crossing 66712 15 Nov 16 empties to Blyth harbour

 

 

BSC_2392 Cambois 66605 14th Dec 16 empties toBlyth harbour

 

 

BSC_2402 North Blyth 66605 14th Dec 16 empties to Blyth harbour

 

David

[D860 VICTORIOUS]

The fourth coach in picture C492,The Royal Scot,appears to be a catering coach.

Can anyone identify which type?

[hexagon789]

25 minutes ago, D860 VICTORIOUS said:

The fourth coach in picture C492,The Royal Scot,appears to be a catering coach.

Can anyone identify which type?

Looks like M1543, so an RKB?

[DaveF]

Lancaster in 1972 and various dates at Manchester Victoria.

 

 

Lancaster Class 50 402 down 17th May 72 C963

 

 

Lancaster training wagon 17th May 72 C1388

 

 

Manchester Victoria Class 110 rear of Liverpool to Leeds Oct 69 C161

 

 

Manchester Victoria from forecourt of (closed) Exchange Station 4th June 76 C2746

 

 

Manchester Victoria 142008 18th March 89 C11707

 

 

Manchester Victoria map of Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway 18th March 89 C 11710

 

David

[woodenhead]

I love the LYR map - it acknowledges the LNWR and the Midland to get to London whilst at the same time ignores the fact there are other ways to get across the Pennines or to Liverpool.

 

Passenger at Victoria station to ticket office "I'd like to go to Stalybridge", "Where?" they reply "Never heard of it".

 

Would love to have seen the LNWR have their own in Exchange omitting much of the LYR.

 

When was the map put up, there must have been a point where the LYR and LNWR had stopped expanding, I assume when was put up the LNWR Leeds line was open.

[hmrspaul]

Lancaster training wagon 17th May 72 C1388

 

Catfish in Gulf Red

 

Paul

[DaveF]

An assortment of black and white photos, the Southern, LMS and Great Western in London plus one from Exeter.

 

 

London Victoria Battle of Britain 34074 46 Squadron le c1952 JVol3122

 

 

London Victoria Victoria to Dover boat train leaving c1952 JVol3123

 

 

London Victoria West Country 34101 Hartland Victoria to Dover c1952 JVol3131

 

 

Waterloo 3SUB c1949 JVol7279

 

 

Paddington 51xx 5176 ecs  Aug 48 JVol4270

 

 

 

London St Pancras Fowler 3MTT l e c1954 JVol7037

 

 

Exeter St Davids SR West Country up Devon Belle Aug 1948 JVol1282

 

David

 

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by DaveF

[corneliuslundie]

Really wonderful black and white photos.

Jonathan

[keefer]

5 hours ago, hexagon789 said:

Looks like M1543, so an RKB?

I thought more like an RB, so maybe M1643?

The corridor side of an RKB had pairs of windows between the doors:

http://www.eastbank.org.uk/images/Coaches/CS0201.jpg

 

 

[DaveF]

Lastly for today some photos around Newark.  Note they are mix of ECML and Midland.

 

 

Newark on Trent  Class 47 up July 77 C3395

 

 

Newark on Trent Class 37 up l e July 77 C3396

 

 

Newark on Trent Class 55 down ex pass July 77 C3397

 

 

Newark view west along MR line by flat crossing May 72 C0975

 

 

Newark Class 120 Lincoln to Crewe Oct 77 C3608

 

 

David

 

 

 

[hexagon789]

23 minutes ago, keefer said:

I thought more like an RB, so maybe M1643?

The corridor side of an RKB had pairs of windows between the doors:

http://www.eastbank.org.uk/images/Coaches/CS0201.jpg

 

 

Tbh, I was going purely off the number and I hesitated as to whether it was 1543 or 1643.

 

The reason I went with 1543 over 1643 was that I thought the Glasgow trains usually had a full kitchen RKB, that lasted until replaced by Mk3 RFB in the 80s together with the increase in running speed from 100 to 110mph, which required an all-Mk3 set (bar brake van).

 

If it is indeed an RB, then my apologies, but I hope you can appreciate my reasoning - flawed as it may be!

 

 

[Southernman46]

Bit ate to the party on this one.

 

C4208 - the DEMU is passing Filston Lane OB just south of Polhill Tunnel southern portal between Dunton Green & Knockholt.

 

Used to be  a good shot until NR's poor vegetation management have allowed the bushes on that corner of the bridge to spring up. Good pub just down the road 👍

[Market65]

Good afternoon, David. I must apologise about missing yesterday, but I went down with a bad migraine - I tend to get a few of them at this time of year.

 

So, to catch up on yesterday’s photo’s first. That’s a lovely set of photo’s of Church Lane crossing. The last photo’ of a Class 47, on a Liverpool St. to Norwich service, in July, 1979, in a superb composition of a typical GE express of that era.

 

Now, the photo’s from Scotland, with some general views at Millerhill, and one at Markinch, are a fascinating selection. C7914, at Millerhill, looking north, on the 21st August, 1986, being particularly superb showing how big it all was there.

 

The photo’s of Crewe in 1971 and 1972, are truly superb. In C0807, with Class 86, E3146, on a Liverpool Lime St. to Euston service, at 11.14 a.m., on Saturday, 5th February , 1972, being an excellent shot of the locomotive.

 

Finally, for yesterday’s photo’s, the photo’s of Fenny Compton and Four Oaks, are a remarkable set. In J2724, at Fenny Compton, with a  Class 47, 1720, on up train of Ford cars, in July, 1971, your Dad has taken a great photo’ and it is powerful, scene with the exhaust from the 47.

 

Now onto today’s photo’s, and that’s a tremendous selection of the Blyth and Tyne at Freeman's crossing, Cambois and North Blyth in November and December 2016. In BSC_2131, at Freemans crossing, with 66712, on the 15th November, 2016, on a train of empties to Blyth harbour, you have taken a delightful shot as the 66 edges past box and crossing.

 

That is a lovely set of photo’s of Lancaster in 1972, plus various dates at Manchester Victoria. In C11707, at Manchester Victoria, with 142008, on the 18th March, 1989, you have quite a contrast between the 142 and the old station. 

 

The assortment of black and white photo’s, of the Southern, LMS and Great Western in London, and one from Exeter, are simply excellent. In JVol3123, at London Victoria, of a Victoria to Dover boat train leaving, in c1952, your Dad has taken a delightful photo’, and captured a woman waving to someone as the train departs.

 

So, finally, for today, the photo’s of Newark, on the ECML and Midland lines are a superb set. In the last one of a Swindon Class 120, on a Lincoln to Crewe service, in October, 1977, you have a well composed shot of the unit passing over the bridge.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

 

[keefer]

On 01/10/2023 at 16:03, DaveF said:

Crewe Class 86 E3181 up Royal Scot 13th March 71 C492

 

1 hour ago, hexagon789 said:

The reason I went with 1543 over 1643 was that I thought the Glasgow trains usually had a full kitchen RKB, that lasted until replaced by Mk3 RFB in the 80s together with the increase in running speed from 100 to 110mph, which required an all-Mk3 set (bar brake van)

I hadn't really paid attention to the fact that it's a WCML train, never mind the fact it's The Royal Scot!

That made me think of alternatives and I was mistaken. It's not an RB but an RB(K) - similar to an RB but converted from the dia.17 RF coaches that the LMR insisted on having. 

I was remembering the RB were numbered in the 16xx/17xx range however the RB(K) were also in this range.

While typing this, found my copy of Parkin - M1643 was a dia.28 RB(K).

The dia.28 conversions from RF started in 1970 and 1643 had been done by the date of the pic.

 

The main visual difference from an RB (which you can't see here) is there are 4 full-size saloon windows and end vestibule doors, the RF was unique in this respect. RB/ RU had blank 'emergency' saloon doors and unevenly spaced/sized windows.

The corridor side 'kitchen' windows were slightly different from RB - RB(K) shown in this pic:

https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Coaches/Mk1-Coaching-Stock/Mk1-RF-Restaurant-First/i-d7RPSNX/A

(note the two 3' windows between the two kitchen doors).

 

So we were both incorrect but got there in the end!🙂

Edited October 2, 2023 by keefer

[hexagon789]

57 minutes ago, keefer said:

 

I hadn't really paid attention to the fact that it's a WCML train, never mind the fact it's The Royal Scot!

That made me think of alternatives and I was mistaken. It's not an RB but an RB(K) - similar to an RB but converted from the dia.17 RF coaches that the LMR insisted on having. 

I was remembering the RB were numbered in the 16xx/17xx range however the RB(K) were also in this range.

While typing this, found my copy of Parkin - M1643 was a dia.28 RB(K).

The dia.28 conversions from RF started in 1970 and 1643 had been done by the date of the pic.

 

The main visual difference from an RB (which you can't see here) is there are 4 full-size saloon windows and end vestibule doors, the RF was unique in this respect. RB/ RU had blank 'emergency' saloon doors and unevenly spaced/sized windows.

The corridor side 'kitchen' windows were slightly different from RB - RB(K) shown in this pic:

https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Coaches/Mk1-Coaching-Stock/Mk1-RF-Restaurant-First/i-d7RPSNX/A

(note the two 3' windows between the two kitchen doors).

 

So we were both incorrect but got there in the end!🙂

Thank you very much @keefer, interesting and enlightening! The explanation of the differences shows how little I knew of the visual differences.

 

I can cope with RMB vs restaurant or full buffet car but not with the various minutiae of all the range of original types and then the alterations and conversions performed later.

[50A55B]

6 hours ago, hmrspaul said:

Lancaster training wagon 17th May 72 C1388

 

Catfish in Gulf Red

 

Paul

I think the lettering on the wagon is Hopper Train No.6 rather than Training. I’ve seen other photos of ballast hoppers being lettered as part of numbered hopper trains.

[DaveF]

Mostly infrastructure in this batch at Bishop Auckland and Etherley on the Weardale line.

 

 

Bishop Auckland view north derelict goods yard and shed 18th May 85 C6930

 

 

Bishop Auckland  view east towards Darlington 18th May 85 C6937

 

 

Bishop Auckland  view east towards Darlington 1st Aug 86 C7788  This is the same view as the photo above but things have changed a bit.

 

 

Bishop Auckland 143014 Saltburn to Bishop Auckland 1st Aug 86 C7787

 

 

Etherley  23rd May 87 C8490

 

David

[hmrspaul]

14 hours ago, 50A55B said:

I think the lettering on the wagon is Hopper Train No.6 rather than Training. I’ve seen other photos of ballast hoppers being lettered as part of numbered hopper trains.

Well spotted, here is a Catfish in Hopper Train no. 6 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brcatfishzev/e786cbc9  and another https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brcatfishzev/e8aa6b23

 

Paul

Edited October 3, 2023 by hmrspaul

[45655]

On 13/09/2023 at 09:23, DaveF said:

The Talyllyn Railway with one photo from 1969 and the rest from 1979.

 

 

Tywyn Pendre?  No 2 Dolgoch Aug 69 J1894

 

 

Abergynolwyn Fletcher Jennings 1 Talyllyn 10th Aug 79 C4780

 

 

Abergynolwyn Fletcher Jennings 1 Talyllyn 10th Aug 79 C4782

 

 

Nant Gwernol Fletcher Jennings 1 Talyllyn 10th Aug 79 C4778

 

 

Nant Gwernol Fletcher Jennings 1 Talyllyn 10th Aug 79 C4779

 

 

Nant Gwernol Hughes 3 Sir Haydn 10th Aug 79 C4784

 

David

 

 

[45655]

2 minutes ago, 45655 said:

Oops!  What I meant to say was, J1894 is definitely Pendre, with the loco yard turnout on the right.  1969 was the first year that passenger trains crossed at Pendre.

 

That's another location that's barely recognisable now.  There's a housing estate behind the fence and the bank has been dug out to provide additional siding space.

 

(Sorry I'm a bit late to the party: I've been away and am only now catching up.)

 

Keith

Alton.