Is non-payment on the increase?

[hayfield]

That attitude is the reason modelling the UK in the US is so difficult.

Especially in this hobby where many products are only sold by a single entity or rarely come up on online auction sites.

 

To date I have had nothing but thanks from those overseas who have bought from me, just be clear the process you use is explained in the description (I ask for buyers to wait for an invoice to be sent once I have got a price for where they are) and if selling something heavy, state this in the description.

 

Having said this I think overseas buyers normally are well aware of postage costs

[adb968008]

I’ve a whole bunch of continental coaches and some unusual locos to part with in the coming months, as auction is variable in the UK for European stuff, especially 21st made Eastern Europe stuff which is what I have, the stock are “less run of the mill” to the usual Roco stuff i’ll Probably “buy it now” but list for European shipping, as i’m Not sure it would appeal to a UK bidder..

 

post Brexit there could be an “import tax” the buyer has to pay to receive UK goods in the EU so it makes sense to clear it now.

The main thing would be to list it only in the UK with Europe (EU specifically) wide shipping, that way it appears in EU listings but is only subject to UK sales rules... as opposed to directly listing on ebay.de /fr/pl etc where local rules apply.

Edited March 12, 2018 by adb968008

[hayfield]

Firstly we buy from non EU countries at the moment, and with the value of the £ paying more for items sold in Euros . The chances are post Brexit any tariffs may be counterbalanced by the ries in the vales of the £ against the falling value of the Euro owing to the loss of GB's net contribution and internal political unrest building up within the EU itself. Simple economic evaluation. However I would guess the usual compromise will happen as tariffs are hurtful to all concerned

[woodenhead]

Interesting tidbit - it seems OO gauge buyers are more likely to pay up straight away when bidding closes than N gauge buyers who seem to prefer an invoice.

 

Have a lot of OO closing just now and everyone has paid up as the bidding closed, not seen that in N.

[Lady_Ava_Hay]

I have noticed an increase in 'cheating'. People who actively seek a loophole and exploit it to obtain goods on credit or Ebay with not the slightest intention of paying for it and backed up by increasingly ineffective legal process which has historically survived by adjudicating on cases where buyer and seller had actually met.

 

These people seem to move in packs a bit like the Nigerian Princesses. 

 

They rely on browbeating to make you cave in.

 

When we post on here about it, we are confirming that we will not yield to these people. It is the ones who don't post about it that tend to be the ones who do cave in.

 

Remember that the Nigerian Government ( I know, I know ) did remark that if we westerners were so easy to fleece with the cock and bull stories weaved by the Princesses, then why shouldn't the Nigerian population profit from that?

[hayfield]

eBay rules state dont send the goods till the money is in your account.

[adb968008]

eBay rules state dont send the goods till the money is in your account.

 

I got exactly that,

 

Auction finished saturday, got an email Monday asking when I will ship it.

My response, when you pay for it.

 

 

Another scam I saw tried recently was a  the winning bidder contacted me, informed me he won the auction, and could I ship to a different address to the invoice.

By default I won't anyway.. never never never do that !

However it was only when I checked the auction, I realised he wasnt even the winning bidder ! - its a relatively easy one to fall for so beware !.

 

 

 

Another trick I saw was after shipping, a genuine winning bidder contacted me to inform me he wasnt at home, could i redirect the parcel. (Again Rule 1: never ever ship anywhere other than the address ebay gives you), so I said no. He grumpily said he would lose the item. I said his details are on the order, contact the shipping company and redirect it yourself once they've tried initial delivery.  He later reverted to say only ebay would authorise it. So again I diverted him to ebay, whom promptly contacted me and approved the address change. I gave him the authorisation and he contacted the shipping company. At this point the locomotive was never seen again. He claimed non-delivery, the shipping company showed it as lost in transit and ebay requested I refund the buyer, as shipping is my responsibility. Fortunately I was insured and got my money back, and so did the seller. However I don't doubt for one minute he acquired the loco too... Whilst I dodged a bullet there, and even though ebay gave me authorisation to change the shipping address... I was to all accounts going to be hung out to dry... so I won't be doing that again.

 

Now I'm not sure what the loophole was there for the scam, but my guess is, the redirection was a different tracking number to the original shipment, and doesnt require signature for redelivery and isnt linked back to the original shipping note... I'm assuming this, because I had a non-delivery item returned to me... it was sent insured / signature, but it came back with a replacement label / tracking number redirecting it back home to me and it was left "over the fence" without signature, when i tracked the original order online its last shown scan was the last delivery attempt.. i had no-info of its return back to me..., in the case of this lost loco.. it's last scan was the last delivery attempt, then nothing.

Thats How i reckon that guy scammed it.. but its an assumption ive no proof.

Edited March 15, 2018 by adb968008

[hayfield]

I got exactly that,

 

Auction finished saturday, got an email Monday asking when I will ship it.

My response, when you pay for it.

 

 

Another scam I saw tried recently was a  the winning bidder contacted me, informed me he won the auction, and could I ship to a different address to the invoice.

By default I won't anyway.. never never never do that !

However it was only when I checked the auction, I realised he wasnt even the winning bidder ! - its a relatively easy one to fall for so beware !.

 

 

 

Another trick I saw was after shipping, a genuine winning bidder contacted me to inform me he wasnt at home, could i redirect the parcel. (Again Rule 1: never ever ship anywhere other than the address ebay gives you), so I said no. He grumpily said he would lose the item. I said his details are on the order, contact the shipping company and redirect it yourself once they've tried initial delivery.  He later reverted to say only ebay would authorise it. So again I diverted him to ebay, whom promptly contacted me and approved the address change. I gave him the authorisation and he contacted the shipping company. At this point the locomotive was never seen again. He claimed non-delivery, the shipping company showed it as lost in transit and ebay requested I refund the buyer, as shipping is my responsibility. Fortunately I was insured and got my money back, and so did the seller. However I don't doubt for one minute he acquired the loco too... Whilst I dodged a bullet there, and even though ebay gave me authorisation to change the shipping address... I was to all accounts going to be hung out to dry... so I won't be doing that again.

 

Now I'm not sure what the loophole was there for the scam, but my guess is, the redirection was a different tracking number to the original shipment, and doesnt require signature for redelivery and isnt linked back to the original shipping note... I'm assuming this, because I had a non-delivery item returned to me... it was sent insured / signature, but it came back with a replacement label / tracking number redirecting it back home to me and it was left "over the fence" without signature, when i tracked the original order online its last shown scan was the last delivery attempt.. i had no-info of its return back to me..., in the case of this lost loco.. it's last scan was the last delivery attempt, then nothing.

Thats How i reckon that guy scammed it.. but its an assumption ive no proof.

 

 

Thanks for the heads up, there are times when some want things delivered to their place of work, think you can put a secondary address on Paypal. On the other hand if a message has been sent with the Paypal payment, then happy to oblige.

[adb968008]

Of all of this, its been 2018 thats had the most issues, ive never had anything like the number of issues in any other year in such a short period.

 

Ive 3 items undelivered to myself, that i have a cases open for too for stuff Ive bought for my collection.

This is way out of kilter to the norm, 1 is from China (Since January with a ridiculous 2 month delivery), 1 is a rake of coaches, 2 weeks late and the seller responded indicating they forgot to post, and a week later.. still no show, and another which the seller has completely ignored to respond so far.. (Usually a sign that its not been posted and I'm not getting it as it was too cheap for them to part with).

 

I'm becoming suspicious altogether, as today I got an email from shutl requesting a claim initiation for an item non-delivered.. thing is as far as I know, everything Ive shipped no one has complained for non-delivery, no ones indicated anything in ebay either.. the email is genuine.. so someone other than me seems to have started a claim but ive no idea what or whom... now I know you only have 2 weeks in which to claim.. which means i'm smelling a rat...

 

After this weekend i'm giving ebay a break as it seems to be silly season right now, buying and selling.

Edited March 15, 2018 by adb968008

[hayfield]

Of all of this, its been 2018 thats had the most issues, ive never had anything like the number of issues in any other year in such a short period.

 

Ive 3 items undelivered to myself, that i have a cases open for too for stuff Ive bought for my collection.

This is way out of kilter to the norm, 1 is from China (Since January with a ridiculous 2 month delivery), 1 is a rake of coaches, 2 weeks late and the seller responded indicating they forgot to post, and a week later.. still no show, and another which the seller has completely ignored to respond so far.. (Usually a sign that its not been posted and I'm not getting it as it was too cheap for them to part with).

 

I'm becoming suspicious altogether, as today I got an email from shutl requesting a claim initiation for an item non-delivered.. thing is as far as I know, everything Ive shipped no one has complained for non-delivery, no ones indicated anything in ebay either.. the email is genuine.. so someone other than me seems to have started a claim but ive no idea what or whom... now I know you only have 2 weeks in which to claim.. which means i'm smelling a rat...

 

After this weekend i'm giving ebay a break as it seems to be silly season right now, buying and selling.

 

 

I am waiting for a couple of items still, but both were economy delivery with one taking 4 days till the person marked dispatched, On the other hand I won an item on a Friday night, posted 1st class on Saturday delivered Monday. 

 

From the little I have heard about its the higher value and easier to sell items where there is an issue, lower value and or more specialist items seem to attract a different type of person. Also been lucky with payments, usually instant, longest just over 24 hours. The only time I had an issue was with one of these large booksellers on Amazon, the book arrived 3 weeks after I had had a refund for non delivery !!, that was last year

 

If anything goes missing, then as far as I am concerned its up to the Royal Mail. In fact you end up slightly better off with both eBay and Paypal returning fees and the Royal Mail the selling price and cost of postage. If the chap's dodgy its up to the Royal Mail's fraud team to sort them out

 

Hope all goes well for you

[adb968008]

If anything goes missing, then as far as I am concerned its up to the Royal Mail. In fact you end up slightly better off with both eBay and Paypal returning fees and the Royal Mail the selling price and cost of postage. If the chap's dodgy its up to the Royal Mail's fraud team to sort them out

 

I agree,

 

But At risk of being called a Boy Scout, but if I spot something dishonest, I’ve no qualms about reporting it. It might be up to RMs fraud team, and it might be RMs loss, but if it’s unfair it’s unfair and if I figure I’ve worked it out I’ve no issues reporting it in...it’s there choice then if they want to do something with it.