Les1952 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 When I was teaching in Hartlepool (Brinkburn for the first 6 years after it went comprehensive) it took me a while to work out why some of our kids referred to others as swampies. Monkey hangers I knew (natives of "old" Hartlepool). West Hartlepool was built on marshland after local entrepreneurs persuaded the captains of sailing vessels returning from the Thames with just ballast to pay them to take that ballast away from the quayside so said ship could return to London with coal. The ballast was tipped into the marshland and West Hartlepool was built on it. Hence monkey hangers referred to natives as swampies. Also explains the area of (West) Hartlepool called the Fens.. Les (a former resident of Owton Manor B blocks who had to walk to the Fens shops to visit the launderette- a young teacher who couldn't at that time afford a washing machine) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben pez Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Found another in the collection taken again at west hartlepool along side the coaling stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 When I was teaching in Hartlepool (Brinkburn for the first 6 years after it went comprehensive) it took me a while to work out why some of our kids referred to others as swampies. Monkey hangers I knew (natives of "old" Hartlepool). and on most Sunday afternoons the Monkey Hangers used to join the Swampies in a peace pact and march off to Crimdon Dene where they proceeded to do battle with the "Yackers". (from Blackhall). I once saw this happen on the track bed in the middle of Crimdon Viaduct. Happy days... happy days... P P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 and on most Sunday afternoons the Monkey Hangers used to join the Swampies in a peace pact and march off to Crimdon Dene where they proceeded to do battle with the "Yackers". (from Blackhall). I once saw this happen on the track bed in the middle of Crimdon Viaduct. Happy days... happy days... P P Time to head for Penzance (tongue in cheek) but who news what goes on their !!!. Pirating I guess and not a Q6, J27 or G5 to be seen. It's a sad world until next year the who knows what may happen ?. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 but who news what goes on their !!!. Prospecting for gold at Trevelyan and running from the excise.(Not "for exercise") not a Q6, J27 or G5 to be seen but witnessed many a north east pigeon being released from E prefixed parcels stock and siphons for them to navigate back to their home crees. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Marshall Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 EXCUSE ME!!! That's BRITISH West Hartlepool if you don't mind. Nicked from Jimmy Bolam - I may forgive him eventually! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Marshall Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 When I was teaching in Hartlepool (Brinkburn for the first 6 years after it went comprehensive) it took me a while to work out why some of our kids referred to others as swampies. Monkey hangers I knew (natives of "old" Hartlepool). West Hartlepool was built on marshland after local entrepreneurs persuaded the captains of sailing vessels returning from the Thames with just ballast to pay them to take that ballast away from the quayside so said ship could return to London with coal. The ballast was tipped into the marshland and West Hartlepool was built on it. Hence monkey hangers referred to natives as swampies. Also explains the area of (West) Hartlepool called the Fens.. Les (a former resident of Owton Manor B blocks who had to walk to the Fens shops to visit the launderette- a young teacher who couldn't at that time afford a washing machine) Les, How strange that you should know Brinkburn - I was there 1961 - 1968! Regards, Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Marshall Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Thanks. I've seen that pic on the Time Capsules website. They look like pressed steel axle boxes but still can't see enough detail to confirm. If you're in contact with Mr Davies perhaps you could tell him that the location of the photograph is Dawdon(Seabanks) not Hawthorn as described. P Porcy, Alas I can't contact Chris - sadly missed - I hadn't known him long, but he was a good friend - met him at Brafferton waiting for 60163 to pass. Regards, Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Alas I can't contact Chris - sadly missed - I hadn't known him long, but he was a good friend - met him at Brafferton waiting for 60163 to pass. The circumstances have just been explained by RB at Redcar show this afternoon. Thanks, P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben pez Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 A photo just for the sake of a photo of them... Tyne dock 1967. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Marshall Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Very Nice. Is that a WD near Billingham in your profile picture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben pez Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Certainly is,and the one at the bottom although a slightly smaller scale! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ427 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 When I was teaching in Hartlepool (Brinkburn for the first 6 years after it went comprehensive) it took me a while to work out why some of our kids referred to others as swampies. Monkey hangers I knew (natives of "old" Hartlepool). West Hartlepool was built on marshland after local entrepreneurs persuaded the captains of sailing vessels returning from the Thames with just ballast to pay them to take that ballast away from the quayside so said ship could return to London with coal. The ballast was tipped into the marshland and West Hartlepool was built on it. Hence monkey hangers referred to natives as swampies. Also explains the area of (West) Hartlepool called the Fens.. Les (a former resident of Owton Manor B blocks who had to walk to the Fens shops to visit the launderette- a young teacher who couldn't at that time afford a washing machine) Les, How strange that you should know Brinkburn - I was there 1961 - 1968! Regards, Roy And another ex-Brinkburn lad here as well! I was in the second last intake before it closed in the late 80s. My mam was also a teacher at Fens school. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Marshall Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Certainly is,and the one at the bottom although a slightly smaller scale! So, did you have any association with the OO layout of Billingham, which was at Middlesbrough MRE (last year, I think)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben pez Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 No connection to their fantastic layout of billingham apart from i live on station Road in billingham. Your right though they showed it last year at middlesbrough,popped through myself to have a look at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Dave the CAD images from the King project are looking stunning - can I ask if there is any developments with these as regards one of Ravens finest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Henriksen Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 He had an update of all his projects in his N scale wagons announcement. For the Q6 he expects to have CAD available to be posted in late November. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben pez Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Pre order placed & looking forward to it! Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Thanks for that. Like you I have copies of MB & KT's pics in my collection but they don't provide enough information to identify the individual diagrams and lot numbers for the brakes. One day a phot will turn up or somebody in the SLS or RCTS will find a list with the details. Thanks again, P Hi Porcy, I have now identified the brake van diagram numbers running behind the Class Q6 and am pretty close to confirming the lot numbers too. I have produced a spreadsheet showing the detail differences and once I have proofed it once more, I will be happy to share the info with anyone who is interested in the info. Regards Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I will be happy to share the info with anyone who is interested in the info. That would be helpful. Thanks. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 That would be helpful. Thanks. P Class Q6 63431, which is to be produced by DJM, worked the SLS Brake Van tour of the branches in Cleveland in 1963. The train consisted of four brake vans, two of which were ex LNER 20T vacuum braked types and two were BR 20T Standard types all in bauxite livery. The BR ones were not fitted with vacuum brakes when built but with vacuum pipe, stand and gauge only. Study of photographs on Slapewath viaduct show the interconnecting vacuum pipes, all tall versions, were connected. A fact I find interesting given the Q6 was steam brake only on the loco. The ex LNER brake vans were on the outer end and would have screw couplings, with the BR one's inboard and having instant ear couplings when built. If you refer to the late Chris Davies photograph at Huntcliffe, the train is running chimney first towards Carlin How / Skinningrove / Loftus. Working back from the loco the brake vans were as follows: Ex LNER Dia 61 - Exxxxxx - short running boards - vacuum cylinder - no concrete ballast weight on the ends - tall stove pipe and torpedo ventilators - three lamp brackets on the verandah ends plus additional brackets on each corner of the verandah posts. As built, the verandah post brackets were not fitted. One bracket was fitted high up on the body side - tall brake pipes above the frame - small truss on the under frame - label clips at left hand end - planked door no windows BR Diag 1/504, Lot 2206 - Bxxxxxx - long running boards - concrete ballast weights with recessed pockets and handrails - single lamp bracket on the verandah ends plus one on each verandah post - tall vacuum pipes above the frame - small truss on the under frame - label clips centrally positioned BR Diag 1/504, Lot 2136 - Bxxxxxx - long running boards - concrete ballast weights with recessed pockets and handrails - two lamp brackets on the verandah ends plus one on each verandah post - tall vacuum pipes above the frame - small truss on the under frame - label clips centrally positioned Ex LNER Diag 158 - Exxxxxx - short running boards - vacuum cylinder - concrete ballast weights without recess, no handrails. - short stove pipe and ventilators, shell type ? - two lamp brackets on the verandah ends plus one on each verandah post - tall vacuum pipes above the frame - label clips at left hand end - two glass panes in the door All have spindle buffers. The horizontal and vertical handrails differ on the brake vans too. The doors on the BR vans would be different, one was fitted with two long panes, Diag 2206 would have four small glass panes. As I am modelling Kiltonthorpe Junction I am in the process of building these brake vans. I offer the info just in case others may wish to do so. When these are done, I will tackle the BR Oleo buffered ones with roller bearings. Kind regards Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 63388 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The number of the brake van that was attached to Q6 63431 while it was running over the Guisborough branch to Boosbeck and back on 'The Cleveland Limited' was E278647. Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 So that would make this van E278647. https://flic.kr/p/9XDFr6 Good info. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 63388 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I think the van numbered E278647 was the one at the far end in the photo. Van E278647 was attached to the smokebox end of the loco while running over the Guisborough branch. Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I think the van numbered E278647 was the one at the far end in the photo. Van E278647 was attached to the smokebox end of the loco while running over the Guisborough branch. Ken E278647 is the Diag 158 built in 1945. One down, three to go. Thanks for posting. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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