Railway Motors

[Adam]

Chaseside also produced a couple of hydraulic models before they were bought out (and rebadged) by JCB. Dad took a load of photos of one in Redruth c. 1970 for a technical drawing/photography exercise. The drawings (if they were ever made) are long since lost, but here is a similar machine.

 

This site site has drawings of the Coles cranes - very useful...

 

Adam

[Fat Controller]

Chaseside also produced a couple of hydraulic models before they were bought out (and rebadged) by JCB. Dad took a load of photos of one in Redruth c. 1970 for a technical drawing/photography exercise. The drawings (if they were ever made) are long since lost, but here is a similar machine.

 

This site site has drawings of the Coles cranes - very useful...

 

Adam

I remember those later Chasesides- dad's was definitely one of the 'dig by wire' type. It's visible through the arch of Sandy Road bridge in one of the books on railways in the Llanelli area. It's sheeted over, but identifiable.

That was the type of Coles I remember, though I'm sure some had double tyres- perhaps those were a heavier type?

[Adam]

That was the type of Coles I remember, though I'm sure some had double tyres- perhaps those were a heavier type?

 

Must have been a size or two up - the 'Dominant':

 

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tonyonthemoon/Coles-type-dominant-mobile-14T-4x2-1960.html

 

(Home page is here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tonyonthemoon/Coles.html )

 

Adam

[Merfyn Jones]

Not sure if these are in the spirit of the thread but they are road vehicles!

 

First up is this fella, JAR 51C (833X0) which was resident at Wigan Springs Branch depot. I don't think that I ever saw this running and it was always in the same spot on the site of the old steam shed - seen here on the 1st January 1989:

 

 

Next up is a preserved (?) Scammel 34612W seen in the former Uphill & Bleadon Station on 29th December 1985. The site closed down and most of the exhibits did find new homes - would be nice if this also survived:

 

 

Spot on Steve, that's exactly the sort of thing I am always looking out for.

The Fordson Major shunting tractor of 1965 had a long life with BR then. Fleet number 833XO, the X standing for miscelanious vehicles and the O for oil engined in the LMR/LMS numbering.

In the background are 3 Overhead Line personel carrier/workshop vans, the one on the right looks like it may be a Bedford TK from the little bit of the roof visible. More common for OHL vans was the Ford D.

The 3ton Scarab shows you could have one lying about on the layout 22 years after red / cream livery ceased, nicely weathered.

Merfyn.

[jcb 3c]

ex BR Caterpillar 951A tracked loader (From Classic Machinery Net with permission)

[DVLR Dave]

Next up is a preserved (?) Scammel 34612W seen in the former Uphill & Bleadon Station on 29th December 1985. The site closed down and most of the exhibits did find new homes - would be nice if this also survived:

According to the DVLA website VXD656 does survive and is currently licenced.

[Merfyn Jones]

A few weeks ago there was discussion about Ford Escort vans.

Just finished a couple so will share them incase sombody else wants to have a go. Not the best of models to work from so I am a bit dissapointed in the results.

The Mark 2 van from the Corgi Mark 1. Not high enough in my opinion. Front end an bonnet filled and new grill, headlights painted on. A 1979 S&T van with the telephone handset on the door.

The Mark 3 from the Springside whitemetal kit, doesn't capture the charicter too well, being assembled from many parts. Would be nice to have one of the quality of Bernard's one piece Escort hatchback. A 1988 van belonging to Liverpool ACE.

Both of these types were supplied in dealers Ford yellow, a lot lighter than BR yellow.

And a BMC J4 van from the R Parker whitemetal kit. He captures the shape very well and it looks good in comparison to the sucessor, the Leyland Sherpa alongside.

A 1970 van in the new yellow livery, just introduced for service vehicles.

Merfyn.

[BernardTPM]

The Mark 2 van from the Corgi Mark 1. Not high enough in my opinion.

 

Yes, the Mk.1 Escort van is disappointing given that the saloon is pretty good. On the real van the rear doors were carried over from the Mk.3 Anglia van so should be just like those on the Oxford Anglia van - oh dear! The ABS (nee Fleetline) Marina van suffers from a similar lack of height too. I reckon the easiest solution is to build up a new higher roof on the existing one, then blend in the sides and revised doors (file the windows higher) with filler and elbow grease. Or turn it into the estate, then you just need to file it down a bit to get rid of the ribs and reshape the back. If you make it a DER commercial* then the vac-formed plastic panel covered over the side window, saving having to drill it out

 

* TV rental firm that used estates with the windows covered over. Red IIRC.

[RANGERS]

Yes, the Mk.1 Escort van is disappointing given that the saloon is pretty good. On the real van the rear doors were carried over from the Mk.3 Anglia van so should be just like those on the Oxford Anglia van - oh dear! The ABS (nee Fleetline) Marina van suffers from a similar lack of height too. I reckon the easiest solution is to build up a new higher roof on the existing one, then blend in the sides and revised doors (file the windows higher) with filler and elbow grease. Or turn it into the estate, then you just need to file it down a bit to get rid of the ribs and reshape the back. If you make it a DER commercial* then the vac-formed plastic panel covered over the side window, saving having to drill it out

 

* TV rental firm that used estates with the windows covered over. Red IIRC.

 

Any scope to mate a Corgi Anglia back end with an Escort saloon front and blend the rooflines, would this do the trick?

[Merfyn Jones]

Just had a look guys.

Put a Corgi and Oxford Anglia van alongside the Escort and ! Just has to be done, will look at both your ideas and one of mine, to cut a horizontal with the hacksaw from the rear windows at mid panel line to the windscreen pilars and raise by 2-3mm.

They are cheap enough to experiment with.

Thanks for the input.

Merfyn.

[Pixie]

Quick thanks for Brian and Adam for the replies - I've email Nonneminstre about obtaining one of thier kits so that should be a good source for the body. As for load it'll be handling it'll be mainly things like pipes, containers and so on. Anything that couldn't be lugged around by hand I guess!

 

I'll keep y'all posted with the progress.

 

Boomshanka,

 

Pix

 

 

[BernardTPM]

There's a really good view of the back of a Mk.2 Escort van here. The Mk.1 looked much the same except that the bumpers were chrome and there was no fog light. This view also shows the extra section above the doors and how much higher up the panel area should go.

[divibandit]

Re the Coles Crane Pix - do you mean one of these:

 

http://www.oilyhands.co.uk/Archive2.htm (scroll down a bit)

 

Or the older type more familiar from the Airfix Recovery set? Nonneminstre models do a rail mounted versiion of the later one, I don't suppose it would be too much of a stretch to put it on road wheels, assuming you can live with the whitemetal jib? If not, a fabrication from brass angle probably isn't so hard. The basic cranes went on a whole host of chassis, and at least some of the thorneycrofts were around into the late '60s; I've a photo from an old Railway Modeller showing the erection of a roof at Pendon using just this bit of kit.

 

There aren't many kits for this sort of vehicle readily available in model form, and especially not as manufactured in the 60s. Chaseside loaders (usually based on tractors) seem to have been fairly common. Langley produce a couple of kits which aren't too bad for these. The '60s version (which apparently ended up being taken over by JCB) looked very different however. There's a timber merchants/sawmill not far from Yeovil which still uses something not unlike this. Langley also do the mobile Ransome and Rapier crane, but my feeling is that this would be a bit early for your period, and the yard at Roath a bit small to accomodate one...

 

http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_OO_Cranes__Heavy_plant___Road_Machinery___RW1_RW21_29.html

 

What sort of traffic is the crane intended for in any case?

Bernard Taylor does a nice etched grill for the EFE TK btw.

BW Models do the Ruston RB-19 base machine (16.50), and attachments: skimmer, Back actor, face shovel (all 4.50) and jib (5.50). They also do a Coles 10ton Crane on an AEC chassis. most of their items are miltary (virtually everything except tanks!) but can be adapted for civvy use. Just like the prototype really!

Steve

[divibandit]

A few weeks ago there was discussion about Ford Escort vans.

Just finished a couple so will share them incase sombody else wants to have a go. Not the best of models to work from so I am a bit dissapointed in the results.

The Mark 2 van from the Corgi Mark 1. Not high enough in my opinion. Front end an bonnet filled and new grill, headlights painted on. A 1979 S&T van with the telephone handset on the door.

The Mark 3 from the Springside whitemetal kit, doesn't capture the charicter too well, being assembled from many parts. Would be nice to have one of the quality of Bernard's one piece Escort hatchback. A 1988 van belonging to Liverpool ACE.

Both of these types were supplied in dealers Ford yellow, a lot lighter than BR yellow.

And a BMC J4 van from the R Parker whitemetal kit. He captures the shape very well and it looks good in comparison to the sucessor, the Leyland Sherpa alongside.

A 1970 van in the new yellow livery, just introduced for service vehicles.

Merfyn.

Hi Merfyn,

BMC J4 looks great as does the Sherpa, where did you get the Sherpa from though?

Steve

[Merfyn Jones]

Hi Merfyn,

BMC J4 looks great as does the Sherpa, where did you get the Sherpa from though?

Steve

 

Sorry Steve

The Sherpa kit is a resin job available in two forms of van from one of the firms who specialise in militery stuff. Got a couple a few years ago and have forgotten their name.

Sombody out there got an idea, as I want some more.

Merfyn.

[RANGERS]

Sorry Steve

The Sherpa kit is a resin job available in two forms of van from one of the firms who specialise in militery stuff. Got a couple a few years ago and have forgotten their name.

Sombody out there got an idea, as I want some more.

Merfyn.

 

CMSC were the outfit, but they're VERY elusive!

[jcb 3c]

Is this Dodge 50 dropside tilt a rail truck ? it enlarges.

 

http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;DCAV001036&pos=1284&action=zoom&id=1037&continueUrl=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

[Merfyn Jones]

Is this Dodge 50 dropside tilt a rail truck ? it enlarges.

 

Certainly is jcb 3c, used by P Way welders, with a crew cab and the pick up back to carry their heavy gear. Nowadays they use Vauxhall Movano lwb. vans for the same job.

 

Merfyn.

[Fat Controller]

CMSC were the outfit, but they're VERY elusive!

I thing BW Models might also do them. I believe CMSC have now retired.

[Guest stuartp]

I believe CMSC have now retired.

 

Last address I have for them is 36 Gray Gardens, Rainham, Essex, RM13 7NH. Bernard TPM of this parish may know more, I believe he has some contact with them.

[divibandit]

Brian,

BW Models don't do a Sherpa, a company called PDI Model Supplies (.co.uk) used to distribute CMSC but PDI sold up and the new owner (whose name escapes me...) didn't appear to continue the range unfortunately.

Steve

[Merfyn Jones]

Shame about the Sherpa kits. Thanks for the input. Maybe sombody else will do it !

Just arrived a couple of new Base Toys variations which may be of interest to some.

 

The Karier Bantam mechanical Horse with a new variation of the flatbed trailer this time with a gantry, very popular on the Southern Region. OLU794 (3272S) is the correct numbering for a mid 1950s vehicle with trailer 6669S even having the next inspection date of 1955 on the front. The Bantam should have a two piece windscreen, which is easily corrected, a matt black strip on the screen will probably do the trick. Their accuracy is improving all the time.

 

The FG open wagon this time branded as a Leyland carries a late 74 or early 75 Nottingham registration, making it a London Midland Region vehicle. A number of these were used both by Civil Engineers and the Mechanical Engineers, so equaly at home in the P Way yard or MPD.

I carries the red double arrow on the cab doors which would have been a recent addition in place of black.

 

Merfyn.

[BernardTPM]

Last address I have for them is 36 Gray Gardens, Rainham, Essex, RM13 7NH. Bernard TPM of this parish may know more, I believe he has some contact with them.

 

I'll probably be going there next week; the owner is in the process of retiring, but only a bit at a time! I'll ask about the CMSC range and Sherpas in particular.

[40192]

Hi Folks,

 

Just had this thread pointed out to me a by a friend.

 

Here I am with my BR Bedford HA van, one of the very last HA van ever registered.

 

 

Cheers.

 

John.

[Merfyn Jones]

Hi Folks,

 

Just had this thread pointed out to me a by a friend.

 

Here I am with my BR Bedford HA van, one of the very last HA van ever registered.

 

Cheers.

 

John.

 

Hi John, The restored HA looks brilliant. I have seen the effort you put into it through the photopic/flika views. Spent many an hour driving them in the 70/80s.

Do you know if this HA, photographed just round the corner in the goods shed museum in 1996, is still about. I believe the museum will be reopening, and I would like to see the road motor collection again.

Merfyn.

Bury Transport Museum 1996.