richard i Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 I am not responding to the above comment. Looking at Mr Wright's delivery lorry, would light sky blue have been a fashionable livery for a hard working lorry in the early part of the last century? Like railway locomotives and rolling stock many road vehicles were a dark colour, a royal or even a navy blue, a crimson, a maroon, a burnt umber or a Brunswick green. Just a thought not a criticism. Lighter coloured road vehicles appeared post WW2 with an improvement in paint technology making light colours more stable and hard wearing...............and they were fashionable. It has been nagging me to, hence why I was wondering if it was just the roof, but if it is it all then I will have to take a trip to the art shop, can't have everything in the railway colours I have in stock. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew b Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 To quote Henry Ford,"you can have any colour as long as its black"!!Hope that helps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew b Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Have enjoyed catching up on Dettingens progress. The cattle dock is a nice touch. I think you need some 3d scanned Witham club members on your layout. No prizes for guessing who the fat controller is though!! Also like the factory gates,and the lime washed house is nicely done. No pressure on my part then!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2015 Have enjoyed catching up on Dettingens progress. The cattle dock is a nice touch. I think you need some 3d scanned Witham club members on your layout. No prizes for guessing who the fat controller is though!! Also like the factory gates,and the lime washed house is nicely done. No pressure on my part then!! I am not going to comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 i have been in contact with Modelu and he is hoping to be at the GCR show in june. I cant decide what to wear , a suit would be the most flexable but then i would have to in it all day. Andy in the pub The Bell Inn ( when i build it), As for Clive, on the coal dray as it is his firms. Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 Quiet progress. The house has an advert on the side now. God knows if bile beans existed then, but the brick work matched Then a fish truck. It is a five79 kit which went together supurbly. It is just a pity that they no longer seem to produce it. If only i could get hold of some more, the fish train is rather short at the moment. In the background are all the POW being moved around into full and empty trains. The fake coal loads will come out of those picked for the empty rack. If anyone spots more that are in the wrong let me know. I have enough for the moment but once the layout goes into the round i will probiblly need another ten. Next up some barrels and signs and maybe the repainted lorry. Richard 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 18, 2015 Hi Richard I have been looking for photos on the interwebthingy of early Damiler lorries, you might not need to get the paints out http://www.daimler.co.uk/html/Cars/daimler/commercial.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 Hi Richard I have been looking for photos on the interwebthingy of early Damiler lorries, you might not need to get the paints out http://www.daimler.co.uk/html/Cars/daimler/commercial.html probiblly still redo the roof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 And the progress goes on. .......slowly First signs shrunk from photos, printed backed by card and stuck on a section of rail. So now the layout has actual Great Central signs. The photos might not prove it but you can actually read them! Also made up a Great Central goods yard electric shunt signal again from a backed shrunken photo. Should it go there? It made sense to me. The the gents loo got its name boards finally. The first attempts were not quite right. The Bell affect happened so i redid them. I have painted up a couple more barrels using Spitfire's advice for achieving a wood look. He does it better than mine so check his thread for how to really get it right. And lastly the Weltrol begins to take shape. This will carry a WW1 plane on a war bond raising tour, along with the tanks. Seeing the wagons in the photo reminds me i still need to address my POW full and empty coal trains. Richard 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Richard, if you are looking for some more PO wagons you could try the pre-lettered kits available through Powsides. Quite a number of their extensive range are highly suitable for the Great Central. (Even more aren't alas.) However, as has been said in this thread, POs are a nightmare to get right. Obviously avoid anything that needs a 1923-spec wagon. But some of it is a good deal more subtle than that, and it isn't always obvious. One helpful guide is that circa 1910 the RCH specified that wagon numbers should always be on the left. So if you find a wagon with the number in the centre, or on the right, that's a good guide to it being early. But of course many early wagons had their numbers on the left anyway! Another good guide is that the commuted charge markings, which didn't appear until post grouping, will not be there. If you get stuck or in doubt, send me a PM and I will try to help. When building kits remember that for pre-grouping era most POs can be left with just one set of brakes, and on an end door wagon with one set the lever goes towards the fixed end. Subtle stuff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 A call for help, I have the line drawing in tatlow of the weltrol h but can find no photos, on searches most do not list wagons in the photo so does anyone know where I might get hold of a snap? Many thanks Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Weltrol progress is going well. Lets hope if a photo is found a mistake is not uncovered! Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 Progress is coming along slowly, but then it always does on scratch builds. Making the side clasps was a mission in itself. I have chosen not to put the rivets on it because i can not see them on the flatrol unless up very close and if the light falls on it in the right direction....and that has several hundred of the little bumps on it! Next up is a tender swapping/ repaint fest. of A3s and A4s out of NRM scotsman, railroad falcons and scotsmans, a p2 tender and GBL mallards. I should end up with A1 Treacy as she was on the GC, Columbo as she was after convertion to A3 with first banjo dome. A4s Mallard (of course) and Golden eagle in Green, It might stretch to another but which either i need another single chimney and can use the corridor tender or i need a streamlined non corridor to do one of the other 4 kylchap ones. lastly the GBL director which is going to be motorised and converted into a D10 but by using its original cab and not swapping for an 04 cab as others have done. Richard 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Have discovered the weltrol scrapes across the locking point so it needs to be raised a smidge, i am hoping 1 mm will be enough otherwise it will be out of line with the other wagons by too much. It is the weight i fitted below the well.......it seemed a good idea atn the time. it will delay work on the A3s and A4s a tad though. Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted November 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2015 Have discovered the weltrol scrapes across the locking point so it needs to be raised a smidge, i am hoping 1 mm will be enough otherwise it will be out of line with the other wagons by too much. It is the weight i fitted below the well.......it seemed a good idea atn the time. it will delay work on the A3s and A4s a tad though. Richard Richard, Would it not be possible to put the weight in the load? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 A nice idea but it is set to run empty, i did think of having the wooden bars as plastic which was filled with liquid lead but felt they would not look wooden enough as they would be too smooth. It may have to become the solution though if nothing else works. Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2015 How about dragging a razor saw down the side of the plastic to give it a bit of a grain? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 Razor saws down plastic....i some how feel an experiment coming on. thanks for the idea 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2015 Hold the blade at 90* to the tube, and then drag sideways and wiggle it back and forth as you drag. Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2015 Hold the blade at 90* to the tube, and then drag sideways and wiggle it back and forth as you drag. Andy G Don't tell him to wiggle, last time he done so a whole class room of children had to have counseling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 Don't tell him to wiggle, last time he done so a whole class room of children had to have counseling. haven't wiggled since my wife told me to stop dancing on our first date because it was so rubbish. leason learnt, i devote myself to modelling now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 Progress has been made and weltrol works.....even with its real wooden load. Plus bits and bobs in the bottom of it. just couplings and (light) weathering to do. As it is finished, it is about now that a photo of one turns up to show my mistakes. The pacifics move forward, Mainly the chimney on Golden Eagle And the parts for Treacy. One railroad Flying Scotsman, One GBL Malard tender tank, One Brassmasters detailing kit. Name plates to come from modelmaster, and transfers from Fox. More progress on these now. Richard 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted November 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2015 Regarding weighting the Flatrol, how about drilling out the wooden support bars at each end, fill with liquid lead and put a wood plug back in the end. This would put the weight over the bogies which is probably where it is most needed - albeit perhas a little high up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 Long time no posts so here is an update. the A3 and A4 have been worked on first. Detailed up and ready .... almost Mostly mix and match from railroad items, a couple of GBL locos and an NRM scotsman. The cab comes up nicely once painted up on my falcon....now mallard. Mallard was the simplist with a new tender top, cut down motor mount inside and renumbering and new plates. lamps and weathering to come. Colombo has a railroad p2 tender, relined and lettered from the transfer spares box and chimney and dome. Brassmasters detailing kit. Golden Eagle has been repainted, but it does not match its tender so i might have to brush paint on a better matching colour. The one that worked on the dome on Colombo was tourist stock green. Lastly Treacy which will all be one colour but can not decide if the green recommended in the states is too vibrant. I am open to suggestions, though a full repaint might be the only way forward. Richard 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 photos do highlight i still need to line the tender axel boxes on Colombo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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