Fenway Park Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Thanks for the reply. I was not aware they reached Norwood Junction. No excuse now not to order one if not two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted September 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2015 Can anyone describe the visual differences (if any) between a J50/2 and J50/3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted September 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2015 Well, I'll make a start. No doubt someone will add to this and/or correct any errors. J50/2 - LH drive - apart from the first one (3221), J50/2s had wider chimneys J50/3 - Ross pop valves - snifting valve exiting smokebox on left - chunkier tank fillers - RH drive - slightly different cab profile to LNER standard loading gauge (doesn't leap out at you this one but you can see less metal above the front windows) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted September 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2015 Well, I'll make a start. No doubt someone will add to this and/or correct any errors. J50/2 - LH drive - apart from the first one (3221), J50/2s had wider chimneys J50/3 - Ross pop valves - snifting valve exiting smokebox on left - chunkier tank fillers - RH drive - slightly different cab profile to LNER standard loading gauge (doesn't leap out at you this one but you can see less metal above the front windows) A great start! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilks Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 J50s ran regular turns to Feltham via Gospel Oak and to Hither Green via the Widened Lines. They also turned up at Norwood Junction having travelled via Kew, the West London Line or the Widened Lines. So quite a lot of possibilities south of the river. A very useful reference book for cross London workings via the Widened Lines is Geoff Goslin's Steam on the Widened Lines vol 1 The GN and MRailways (Connor and Butler). Vol 2 covers the GWR and Southern Companies. The aforemention vol1 has the 1933 headcodes used on workings for LNER trains over the widened lines - destinations include: Victoria Ludgate Hill Clapham Junction Elephant & Castle Battersea Clapham Road High Holborn Brockley Lane Hither Green Bricklayers Arms Cannon Street Herne Hill These "local" codes produce some interesting/confusing arrangements e.g. goods trains to Bricklayers Arms used what was the same for an express passenger train - a lamp above each buffer, Hither Green used 3 lamps across the bottom. In 1946 there were just under 70 freight trains from Ferme Park going south of Farringdon to access the various depots in South London - ref London and its Railways, Davies and Grant, David and Charles. At the end of steam (1959) there were only 23 daily workings. Feltham in the south west was served via Farringdon and via Kew Bridge. The Great Northern did own a goods and coal depot at Elephant and Castle and at Brockley Lane. Plenty of opportunities for London modellers of the BR Southern era to buy a J50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 G'day Gents You also have the added luxury of J52's and a N1, if you can get hold of one. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I've no suitable sources to check myself unfortunately, but would 68957 be a J50/3? Thanks. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted October 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2015 I've no suitable sources to check myself unfortunately, but would 68957 be a J50/3? Thanks. Dave. Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Further to my post re the J50/4 at Victoria, I have had another look at the photo. The loco is coupled to a BR 20T Brake Van and 2 Blue Spot style Fish vans with the brake van between the loco and the vans. The loco is bunker first towards the concourse end of the eastern side of Victoria Station. Any ideas as to the working? Billingsgate traffic would have been transported by road from Kings+. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 May be of interest, Kernow have added sample photos to their website:LNER: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/50925/R3324-Hornby-J50-Class-Steam-Locomotive-number-635-LNER-Black BR Early: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/50926/R3325-Hornby-J50-Class-Steam-Locomotive-number-68987-BR-Black BR Late: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/50927/R3326-Hornby-J50-Class-Steam-Locomotive-number-68971-BR-Black Regards,Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2015 May be of interest, Kernow have added sample photos to their website: LNER: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/50925/R3324-Hornby-J50-Class-Steam-Locomotive-number-635-LNER-Black BR Early: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/50926/R3325-Hornby-J50-Class-Steam-Locomotive-number-68987-BR-Black BR Late: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/50927/R3326-Hornby-J50-Class-Steam-Locomotive-number-68971-BR-Black Regards, Matt These are the photos that were on the Engine Shes blog a few weeks ago :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilks Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 These are the photos that were on the Engine Shes blog a few weeks ago :-) Is the reversing lever missing on 68971? It is there on the other models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourSUB Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Further to my post re the J50/4 at Victoria, I have had another look at the photo. The loco is coupled to a BR 20T Brake Van and 2 Blue Spot style Fish vans with the brake van between the loco and the vans. The loco is bunker first towards the concourse end of the eastern side of Victoria Station. Any ideas as to the working? Billingsgate traffic would have been transported by road from Kings+. Fish traffic was moved around the Southern on Van trains so its likely those pictured had either arrived from Kings Cross to be attached to a Van train or empties doing the reverse. Similar occurred at Waterloo and London Bridge. The was a discussion on mainly South Western fish traffic recently on the SRLHCS Yahoo Group. Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilks Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Further to my post re the J50/4 at Victoria, I have had another look at the photo. The loco is coupled to a BR 20T Brake Van and 2 Blue Spot style Fish vans with the brake van between the loco and the vans. The loco is bunker first towards the concourse end of the eastern side of Victoria Station. Any ideas as to the working? Billingsgate traffic would have been transported by road from Kings+. Probably delivering fish for Buckingham Palace seeing as it was the closest mainline station!! The fish vans could be a red herring with these vans being left over after another part of the train has been shunted off elsewhere in Victoria station. I will look out for references Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Fish traffic was moved around the Southern on Van trains so its likely those pictured had either arrived from Kings Cross to be attached to a Van train or empties doing the reverse. Similar occurred at Waterloo and London Bridge. The was a discussion on mainly South Western fish traffic recently on the SRLHCS Yahoo Group. Graham Thanks for the link. I did not know the extent of the fish traffic on the Southern. Very interesting. I think that solves the mystery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Thanks for pointing out the availability if the service diagram. What did you think looked odd? The reduction ration looks good, probably around 4-0:1 if the drawing is a good representation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted October 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) Service sheets here- if it works as I think it should! http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/downloads/view/index/cat/2/ John Hmmm - not working as I expected, and I seem to be getting a service sheet this says J50 but also has Adams Radiall mixed in! This could be a more direct link but still part Adams Radial! http://www.Hornby.com/media/partsandspares/schematics/1444694400/HSS419ClassJ50_1444746679.pdf Edited October 17, 2015 by it's-er Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 These are due at the end of the week according to the Hornby website. Wonder if any with make it to Warley. Could be an expensive day out if they do ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 25, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2015 Could indeed be one of those locos quietly working away in the background and then being released enmasse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Service sheets here- if it works as I think it should! http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/downloads/view/index/cat/2/ John Hmmm - not working as I expected, and I seem to be getting a service sheet this says J50 but also has Adams Radiall mixed in! This could be a more direct link but still part Adams Radial! http://www.Hornby.com/media/partsandspares/schematics/1444694400/HSS419ClassJ50_1444746679.pdf A multi-purpose service sheet.... Perhaps its a reversion to "Design Clever"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The service sheet remains as it was when I first downloaded it, and uncontaminated by any of old Adam; exclusively Doncasterish as it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2015 Definitely not right haha. You must have got in before it got mixed up 34C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2015 Definitely not right haha. You must have got in before it got mixed up 34C The service sheet I downloaded for the J50 this morning is perfectly normal - no hybridising in sight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2015 Just seen on the Hornby Facebook page. J50's at Warley. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Derails Models Posted November 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) So why did they tell me this morning they were due in January? This is odd Edited November 26, 2015 by Derails Models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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