RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Mike you have a PM. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I think a pic appeared in one of the Strathwood books?...of Glory with red backed plates. Phill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 You could post a link to the 818 pic on ebay? Mike. Flickr is your friend in these situations. https://www.flickr.com/photos/astronowt/4703264027/in/photolist-nCJPar-7gBRVe-pjZaE5-9EmwGd-2kGLis-p6pPfj-jCqjT8-igbJNo-gYdZ4x-aFisYN-eUookL-kqQTfN-93LQKt-by6Lbp-5nscwm-bc4MFi-puvqNi-4kPo2X-9LWigM-n76Wpm-8aBsx6-oQypuz-p6YZGE-bBE8WR-99JHVS-an9xJ8-4qMSqm-ehrq63-mh2pxs-fwSXLc-7SjE5J-7s4Ffr-q3Bf3x-2kC9gT-2kCj6g-2kGzvN-2kG3iE-2kGq4q-2kGmGq-2kBX3a-2kGe3w-2kFXPG-2kBvGt-2kFGZY-fwN3e1-a7kSVU-atsnpK-66C66b-aeGyht-a6k2Fi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Wow thanks for the link Jonny. I think it underlines my original reason of why I'm posting my slides rather than them sat in files collecting dust. Sure the reason I've bought them was to eventually write my own books, but work dictates I can't do that at the moment. I've always been tied to the blue- black plate dogma for warships, and it wasn't right. I was unconvinced regarding Westerns - but who knows what photos are out there yet to see the light of day. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Yes Neil, I agree. What worries me the most, is the photos that might be out there but will never see the light of day because when their owner passes away they are destined for the skip because relatives have no idea of their worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Thanks for the links to Robert's pics Neil - however I'm still not convinced the plates on 1004 or 1029 were ever red when in blue livery - I have thousands of bought / borrowed / begged / found images of 1000s with faded black plates which show the hand applied paint literally scrubbed off by the carriage washing plants at Kensal Green, Malago Vale and Laira, and they all look the same or similar to Robert's pics of 1004 and 1029. Plus I remember seeing both of them in the flesh several times between 1973 and withdrawal and in both cases could see bare metal where the black paint used to be! 1057 was also particularly bad for this with all four plates having very little black paint left towards the end. 818 was a fairly well known exeption to the rule as far as Warships went - I have the Ex-Rail colour print of it with red plates and to my eyes it looks very odd! As you say though, we'll never know for sure unless good photographic proof turns up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Just a "quickie". This is Highflyer in green livery at Teignmouth on 6th June 1968 - the day Bobby Kennedy died. I thought 1C45 was the down Cornish Riveria, but it looks to me that only the one loco is hauling the train. It appears there's someone with their head out of the window in the coach behind. This was the period of double-headed Warships on the West of England line. Can anyone confirm that 1C45 is indeed the Cornish Riveria? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Just a "quickie". This is Highflyer in green livery at Teignmouth on 6th June 1968 - the day Bobby Kennedy died. I thought 1C45 was the down Cornish Riveria, but it looks to me that only the one loco is hauling the train. It appears there's someone with their head out of the window in the coach behind. This was the period of double-headed Warships on the West of England line. Can anyone confirm that 1C45 is indeed the Cornish Riveria? The Down 'Limited' was 1C51 in the Winter 1966-67 Winter timetable but 1C45 in the 1971 Summer timetable - that's the only definite info I have anywhere near your date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Good afternoon hydraulic fans First one my my ebay acquirements this week- lost some excellent slides unfortunately. D7074 and Warship/Western backdrop, the wonderful Swindon works in 1964 A slightly out of focus D7031 shortly after departing Paddington again in the 1960s- I'm sure focussing software must be available or at least will be to come? A freshly preserved D7017 at Taunton in 1975 - like the D1062 shot, I remember seeing her at this spot on my way to Paignton that year and a relief that a Hymek had survived. D1025 at Newport on one of my favourite services the 1C63 Paddington-Cardiff, always a Western turn 1974/5. Guardsman was built minus headboard clips. Finally D1029 Western Legionnaire at Westbury - subject of the red nameplate debate Neil Edited March 12, 2015 by Downendian 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Now for something slightly different. Steve Fay linked the video below in his thread and although it stars a 'Castle' (5029) in the spring of 1963 it has a few things of interest to this thread - but they come with a bit of fun as far as I'm concerned as I will name the places but not the lapsed time in the video. There is a very clean and shiny D63XX shunting the downside at Patchway; just past Patchway we pass a very clean, new looking, Hymek heading in the opposite direction; and just short of Sydney Gardens we pass the Blue Pullman enroute to Bristol. One tip, the train does not go into Temple Meads - now you can have a pretty good look over much of the road from Newport to Salisbury. By the way - steam engines do vibrate! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srNQg26Adjg&app=desktop 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Neil, D7031 is not at Paddington but at Old Oak Common East (almost - standing just short of the signals on the London side of the West London Line overbridge) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I know 1C45 was the 1030 Paddington to Penzance in the summer of 1969, but whether that applies to 1968 I don't know. Was the 1030 departure the Cornish Riviera? Sounds about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Neil, D7031 is not at Paddington but at Old Oak Common East (almost - standing just short of the signals on the London side of the West London Line overbridge) Yes I knew it was near Old Oak, legend edited.Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 I know 1C45 was the 1030 Paddington to Penzance in the summer of 1969, but whether that applies to 1968 I don't know. Was the 1030 departure the Cornish Riviera? Sounds about right. It was still 'The Cornish Riviera' then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Now for something slightly different. Steve Fay linked the video below in his thread and although it stars a 'Castle' (5029) in the spring of 1963 it has a few things of interest to this thread - but they come with a bit of fun as far as I'm concerned as I will name the places but not the lapsed time in the video. There is a very clean and shiny D63XX shunting the downside at Patchway; just past Patchway we pass a very clean, new looking, Hymek heading in the opposite direction; and just short of Sydney Gardens we pass the Blue Pullman enroute to Bristol. One tip, the train does not go into Temple Meads - now you can have a pretty good look over much of the road from Newport to Salisbury. By the way - steam engines do vibrate! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srNQg26Adjg&app=desktop Was there a touch of wheelspin as the Castle left Newport? Surely not on the GW..... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Was there a touch of wheelspin as the Castle left Newport? Surely not on the GW..... Maybe the Driver had been on a Brit the day before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Yes I knew it was near Old Oak, legend edited. Neil Sent a PM regarding Ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The Down 'Limited' was 1C51 in the Winter 1966-67 Winter timetable but 1C45 in the 1971 Summer timetable - that's the only definite info I have anywhere near your date. The headcode change from 1C45 to 1B65 in May 1971, then to 1B45 in May 1972 when the departure time moved from 10:30 to 11:30. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 So was 1C45 the down Cornish Riviera in the Summer '68 timetable? Although diagrammed for x2 Class 42s, would just the one Class 42 be unusual? Thanks in anticipation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Now for something slightly different. Steve Fay linked the video below in his thread and although it stars a 'Castle' (5029) in the spring of 1963 it has a few things of interest to this thread - but they come with a bit of fun as far as I'm concerned as I will name the places but not the lapsed time in the video. Great find. Amongst many other attractions there is a lingering shot of Warminster signal box - typically Great Western but in SR colours. The town and year of my birth. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 2B45? Someone must be having a laugh. The down Cornish Riviera arrives at Plymouth on a grey, dismal January afternoon in 1973. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The spur by the signalbox at the west end of Plymouth Station was a useful place to park a loco. The Thousand has a pronounced horizontal dent amidships, doubtless someone can recognise which one it is. This photo also illustrates why it's not very clever trying to take a picture looking into the setting sun on a winter's afternoon..... 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer1027 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Could be D1031 Rifleman. But i could be wrong. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Think you're correct. Just looked at the print with a magnifying glass and it's def D103_ and the last digit is almost certainly a 1. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Think you're correct. Just looked at the print with a magnifying glass and it's def D103_ and the last digit is almost certainly a 1. Thanks again. Surely some one would know, just be its body side scar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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