RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2015 How close to scale is the body on these for the Y9? Checking through some 'appraisals' it doesn't seem to score very well. Reviews are, of course, subjective. Seeing as there doesn't seem to be any etched kits for these I was thinking about the Hornby body as a basis for building one. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 How close to scale is the body on these for the Y9? Tank needs shortening by a whole 8mm! And then there's the firebox...... Cab is different as well. But if you want a Y9, the Hornby shell is the only game in town, so you have to work with it. Branchlines do a scale chassis kit for about £22 (actually meant for the CR/LMS 0F variant, but they all came out of Neilsons anyway), and are supposed to be releasing body components for it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Depends what you can accept. I did one many years ago and was quite satisfied with it, over-long tanks and all. It REPRESENTED the loco I wanted it to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 30, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2015 Thanks Ivan and Jeff. I now know what's required! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Some of the photos here show the Branchlines chassis, and the body corrections needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted February 6, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2015 Many thanks Ivan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Many thanks Ivan. Here's a link to the whole project - it's quite involved! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted February 24, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2015 Here's a link to the whole project - it's quite involved! Many thanks Ivan for taking the trouble to find it. Much appreciated. Albeit, as you say, rather involved, just what I was looking for! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Shaw Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Putting my grumpy old man's pedant hat on, Y9 is an LNER classification applying to the locos they inherited from the NBR, and nothing whatsoever to do with the Caledonian Railway. I fully appreciate that the CR had locos similar to the Neilson design, but weren't they built at St Rollox? I must admit I get similarly annoyed by J94 and Austerity being used synonomously. End of grumpiness. If you can craft something using the Hornby model as a starting point that satisfies you then go for it. Regards Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I've now started sawing up a Caley Pug body. Quite a drastic job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethashenden Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I've now started sawing up a Caley Pug body. Quite a drastic job. You can't just say that. Post a picture! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 You can't just say that. Post a picture!You want to see a bombsite!? Two 4mm slices are sawn out either side of the dome, and the remainder shoved back together: The next bit to come out is the massive firebox top.... I suspect the smokebox may need shortening as well. It definitely needs small wings at the base. Chimney needs replacing with a big NBR pot, but nobody sells those. The tank filler needs to be moved to the rear. At least the dome is sort of in the right place, and safety valves have been removed from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Occurs to me that the Y9's 10-spoke pin-between drivers could be represented by AGW's "P"-class wheel. If you are building the engine as the other Neilson survivor "Kelton Fell" (preserved alongside the Y9 at SRPS), then AGW's 8-spoke "T" wheel is pretty much spot-on. I think I'll have to reset the base of the saddle tank as it's not straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted May 19, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2016 You want to see a bombsite!? IMG_20160518_235735_1463612875480.jpg Two 4mm slices are sawn out either side of the dome, and the remainder shoved back together: IMG_20160519_000653_1463612907514.jpg The next bit to come out is the massive firebox top.... I suspect the smokebox may need shortening as well. It definitely needs small wings at the base. Chimney needs replacing with a big NBR pot, but nobody sells those. The tank filler needs to be moved to the rear. At least the dome is sort of in the right place, and safety valves have been removed from it. Could you cut off the smokebox and firebox and reassemble with the saddletank the other way round to get the filler at the rear? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Could you cut off the smokebox and firebox and reassemble with the saddletank the other way round to get the filler at the rear? Andy G That only occurred to me after I'd done the job....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 With the back section reset so that the base is level, I'm wondering if I should put in a length of plasticard inside the tank to reinforce the joins... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2016 Once you've checked how much space there is, perhaps glue in something to add weight instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 ....perhaps glue in something to add weight instead? I've got some adhesive car wheel balance weights somewhere, so yes these need to be crammed in somewhere. I did consider drilling the tank sections in order to insert and run alignment / reinforcement rods through, but it's too late now! In an ideal world, I should be able to shorten and re-use most of the Hornby cast footplate / underframe, but mazak doesn't really solder all that well, or indeed at all. Other notes: The Tom Lindsay 7mm drawing which appeared in the old Model Railway News has been reduced to 4mm, and I found by experiment that the weight diagram can also be blown up a little to approximately 4mm scale - the consistent measurement is 28mm which represents the 7ft wheelbase. Incidentally the Lindsay drawing is meant to represent the NBR "G" in its original form, so it doesn't have the sheeted-in cab, and the safety valves are not enclosed in tubes. The chimney is shown as a stovepipe, rather than the tall NBR pot. Also the dumb buffers are shown as protruding sideways from the footplate corners, so that the plan view of the footplate is not an ordinary rectangle. However, the principal dimensions shown on it agree with the dimensions shown on the weight diagram. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2016 Putting my grumpy old man's pedant hat on, Y9 is an LNER classification applying to the locos they inherited from the NBR, and nothing whatsoever to do with the Caledonian Railway. I fully appreciate that the CR had locos similar to the Neilson design, but weren't they built at St Rollox? I must admit I get similarly annoyed by J94 and Austerity being used synonomously. End of grumpiness. If you can craft something using the Hornby model as a starting point that satisfies you then go for it. Regards Martin The Caledonian 264 pugs were ordered by Drummond from Neilson in 1885, to the same design as Neilson had used to supply the NBR a few years earlier. It seems that both Railways had the option to build further examples to the same design at their own works. I've always been surprised that Hornby have never put this into NBR or LNER livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 ....I've always been surprised that Hornby have never put this into NBR or LNER livery. Possibly because it would have looked wrong (though wrongness in the context of the Hornby Caley Pug is relative), even that the bodyshell has the CR / Drummond cab, whereas the NBR/LNE variant didn't have much of a cab to speak of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted May 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2016 Looking at photos of the two types, theres a reasonable similarity between the cabs... and as you say, the model doesnt really match either. Its been put into all sorts of spurious liveries (eg a MR red one!).... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 At ExpoEM, Chris Gibbon (High Level) handed me the leftover plastic roll after his card reader machine ran out of paper. At the time, I had absolutely no idea what to do with such largesse. Only much later, I measured its diameter, which came out at a shade under 16mm: ....and it slowly occurred to me that it could serve as a more appropriately sized boiler and firebox section for the Y9, Caley Pug, or any engine from this Neilson design: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 ...but before all of that happens, we can separate the smokebox from the saddle tank, remembering to leave the riveted angle strip intact on the front of the tank: The smokebox can have a slice taken out of it with a piercing saw, using the internal stiffener as a handy cutting guide: ...and we hopefully end up with a more or less correctly shortened smokebox, as here: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 The boiler diameter of the real thing is stated to be 3ft 9 5/8in, so that handheld card reader paper roll is as near as dammit spot-on. I suppose High Level is going to be experiencing a minor run on these used card reader rolls in future (other finescale suppliers' card readers are available). Thinking ahead, a new footplate needs to be cut out, measuring 69mm long by 31mm wide. You can do it either in plastic or brass / nickel silver; I don't think it matters too much in a project like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I'm enjoying the thread, but wouldn't it have been easier to scratchbuild? There isn't going to be an awful lot of Messrs Hornby left. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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