RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 Hello all spurred on by some good discussions in the my diesel hydraulic galleries I've decided to start posting some of my photos of diesel electrics. electrics, DMUs and EMUs many of which have not seen the light of day. Most are purchased from ebay with copyright from the past decade or so. Many are quite rare (why they were bought in the first place), and I hope they are of use to modellers I hope you enjoy. All images are my copyright. First is NBL type 2s (class 21) D6100 and D6101 almost brand new at what I think is St Rollox in 1960 Next a shot of our old friend HS4000 at Cricklewood in 1969 and last for today, Brighton Belle at Hassocks, 23rd March 1972 Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Nice shot of the Brighton Belle Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 8, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2015 A mix of 1960s-1980s today 1960s class 15 at an unknown location - help where would be appreciated.(edit: image reversed) 1970s - Scrapped class 24, 24 006 used at Eastfield for rerailing exercises, 17th September 1978. It replaced a Clayton type 1 (class 17) that I saw in the same spot in November 1975. 1980s - class 123 DMU set at Doncaster after transferring from the WR. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Your class 15 photo is reversed, Neil. It should be the other way round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 8, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2015 ahh so it is- OHLE flashes give it away - my software cant do that will need to rescan, and scanner in to do pile! Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2015 Does this help Neil? I hope you don't mind my flipping it in Photoshop to get it the right way round. 1960s class 15 at an unknown location - help where would be appreciated. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The electrification plate on the catenary has a large C to begin with. Does this signify Colchester, or maybe Clacton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2015 According to this web site: http://www.railwaycodes.org.uk/electrification/mast_prefix.shtm NOTE My anti virus is not sure about this site, it gives it a "?" rating. Masts with "C" are Bethnal Green to Kings Lynn. Is this any use? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Like the 123 at Doncaster, excuse my ignorance but where on the Western Region did they work? Phill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Like the 123 at Doncaster, excuse my ignorance but where on the Western Region did they work? Phill London - Reading London - Swindon London - South Wales IIRC Seemingly they reached Penzance on services from Cardiff as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 8, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2015 And on Portsmouth-Cardiffs for a while. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 And Paddington to Oxford in the 1972/3 period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 According to this web site: http://www.railwaycodes.org.uk/electrification/mast_prefix.shtm NOTE My anti virus is not sure about this site, it gives it a "?" rating. Masts with "C" are Bethnal Green to Kings Lynn. Is this any use? David That is current, presumably - so we can rule out north of Cambridge. Although it is debateable whether a 15 would have been allowed to go that far away in case of failure. The train does seem rather impressive in length for 800hp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 London - Reading London - Swindon London - South Wales IIRC Seemingly they reached Penzance on services from Cardiff as well! Not sure about the second and third routes. They were the units that never seemed to find a home. They spent the first seven or so years allocated to the Cardiff Division, and were initially used on workings from South Wales to Birmingham/Derby/Sheffield (Saltley driver L C Jacks refers to driving them north of Brum in his book "A Driver's Reminiscences"), often in multiple with Swindon Cross Country sets, and to Devon. They were then moved to the Cardiff to Portsmouth route, being split into 6 car formations for some of the time. They then moved to the London Division, which was where I knew them, working a variety of Thames Valley semi-fast services to Didcot, Oxford, Newbury and (I think) Henley. On Summer Saturdays they worked to Minehead while the branch remained open, as well as helping out on Reading depot's other DMU diagrams (I remember a 7 car set, consisting of a 117 and a 123, working a morning all-stations Thames Valley local one Saturday - my father photographed it when we got on at Tilehurst and again at Reading). In their early days in the London Division, they also worked some of the remaining Paddington - New Street via Bicester semi-fasts. There was a panoramic photo taken near Saunderton in (I think) Modern Railways some time in 1971 showing a set where one power car had been replaced by a 121 Pressed Steel single unit. Anyone for London to Birmingham in a non-gangwayed, toilet-less suburban single unit? They then went back to the Cardiff Division in 1976 or so, and seem to have seen little use (Bristol locals and the North & West route) before being stored in 1977. I really liked them - as a child, I didn't know about their B4 bogies or their Albion engines, but their looks made them stand out, and I loved the interiors, with side corridors and compartments in a couple of coaches - very different from the usual fare of Pressed Steel suburbans. Odd to think there were only ten of them....and Phill, you definitely need a set to run alongside your fabulous hydraulics! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 With regards to the Class 123 photo, the last vehicle is a Class 124 Trans-Pennine DMC. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I suspect the class 15 photo is somewhere between Shenfield and Chelmsford, there's some nice straight bits along there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted February 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2015 According to this web site: http://www.railwaycodes.org.uk/electrification/mast_prefix.shtm NOTE My anti virus is not sure about this site, it gives it a "?" rating. Masts with "C" are Bethnal Green to Kings Lynn. Is this any use? David I was going to suggest somewhere on the Lea Valley line which would fit in with the lettering on the overhead line structure plate. The cylindrical section structures might narrow it down a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 It mentions on one of the 'Diesel & Electric on 35mm' DVD's that a 123 is on a service from Minehead. Is this a error? Phill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2015 The mast in the class 15 pic reads CM47. CM is Cheadle-Hulme to Macclesfield according to Dave's post. That would make the location between Cheadle-Hulme Junction and Macclesfield. As the distance between those two points is about 7 to 8 miles I assume that the 47 applies to something other than distance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 9, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2015 An eclectic mix this morning on my coffee break, before departing for Plymouth lunchtime. Next to WR hydraulics, I'm a huge fan of class 40s - rarely seen on the WR in the 1970s (well not in Bristol at least). I have quite a hefty collection of EE type 4 slides! 40 023 at Crewe works (edit) Next a class 506 unit at Reddish (image mislabelled a class 501) on 7th May 1981 - I only went to Reddish the once in August 1977, fascinating place. Note the grounded class 76 next to it! Last but not least a class 24 at Birmingham New Street during the development work there (can you spot the Rotunda of the Bull Ring?). Date and loco unknown but during the 1960s. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The mast in the class 15 pic reads CM47. CM is Cheadle-Hulme to Macclesfield according to Dave's post. That would make the location between Cheadle-Hulme Junction and Macclesfield. As the distance between those two points is about 7 to 8 miles I assume that the 47 applies to something other than distance. I suspect the only way a Class 15 would get as far as that would be if it was being towed...The 'C' and the 'M' are on different lines, whereas the normal format for mast labels seems to be to have the letters indicating the route on one line. The 'M' would seem to be part of a secondary description- perhaps 'Main'? I'd suggest the photo is somewhere on the Lea Valley route. Could the 'M' actually be a digit (or a pair of), rather than a letter? The numbering system seems to consist normally of:- Alphabetic line identification Number indicating mileage from datum point. Number indicating the individual mast within that mile If that 'M' was in fact a blurred '11', that would narrow it down to between Ponder's End and Brimsdown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 40023 at Guide Bridge - something does not look quite right. The mast in the background seems more WCML than Woodhead electrification. The loco appears to have been stored/withdrawn for a time judging by its condition. It was withdrawn from Kingmoor and cut up at Crewe Works. I wonder how it has found its way to Guide Bridge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2015 40023 at Guide Bridge - something does not look quite right. The mast in the background seems more WCML than Woodhead electrification. The loco appears to have been stored/withdrawn for a time judging by its condition. It was withdrawn from Kingmoor and cut up at Crewe Works. I wonder how it has found its way to Guide Bridge? I agree. It looks a bit like the wall in Crewe Works alongside the Crewe - Holyhead line, which I think was electrified at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 9, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2015 Another mislabelled slide! Will correct. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Here we have it at Crewe Works in 1982/3, and it appears to be in better condition than the above photo. So, I would hazard a guess the later one is from sometime in 1984, because it was cut up in December of that year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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