flapland Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Most The Grand Hibernian is Mk3s to be running in Ireland, while the Royals Scotsman is older Pullmans running in Scotland, so both within UK loading gauge. Just goes to show what is possible if you don't mind having fewer compartments per coach. Not to my taste, but very tasteful. Not quite as luxurious but still impressive, Platinum Class on the Ghan and Indian Pacific in Australia.http://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/custom/files/media/Platinum_Service_Thumb.jpghttp://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/custom/files/media/Platinum_Night.jpgCheersDavid Most London estate agents would describe these a large bedrooms as you can swing a cat in all three. Wouldn't mind a trip on any three although will try the Caledonian first in current guise. Edited March 16, 2015 by flapland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 First few CAF Mk5 Sleepers have been taken to Velim for testing, there is a video of the transit move about on social media. Looks strange seeing loco hauled stock with inside frame bogies and external PIS displays. I suspect more photos will start to crop up soon. Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Video of FB but you don't need to be a member https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10214968097062458&id=1429804384 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted August 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2017 Is it just me that thinks the bogies look like someone forgot to finish them off, and the wheels are about to fall off...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Take it you don't see many Voyagers or 172s then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Voyagers and 172s look rather odd as well. And the various 700 series EMUs, too. (And a few aggregate wagons). Inside bearings are still rare enough to look odd. (I haven't mentioned westerns or warships, either) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 And yet most C20th steam locos had inside bearings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) But the vehicles they pulled had outside bearings. (Mostly). Edited August 22, 2017 by Zomboid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2017 So what looks like yet another coupling for Britain's railway! Why the hell couldn't they have conventional drop head buckeye couplers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 So what looks like yet another coupling for Britain's railway! Why the hell couldn't they have conventional drop head buckeye couplers? I think I've read that it's to avoid manual coupling, the dellners (same as most modern MUs) can be operated without a person entering the 4ft which is inherently safer than having someone drop down between coaches and/or locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 Is it just me that thinks the bogies look like someone forgot to finish them off, and the wheels are about to fall off...? Amtrak Amfleet cars look much the same when the wheels are shiny. Give them a few days in traffic and they will be so grimy the casual eye won't see it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ck4049/6786595407/ Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I think I've read that it's to avoid manual coupling, the dellners (same as most modern MUs) can be operated without a person entering the 4ft which is inherently safer than having someone drop down between coaches and/or locos. Essentially, the sleeper stock already runs as a series of fixed sets, with the only (un)coupling being between the various portions of the trains. Within each set, what the coupler is is irrelevant. The days of every coach having to have standard drawgear each end go back to the days when train compositions were varied on a regular basis and every coach had to be able to couple to every other. It will be interesting to see what the arrangements are for a full train set. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Will they need to fit Thunderbird 57 style Delners to the 73's, 92's and 86's that haul them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Don't forget the 90s, 67s, 66s and 47! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Some photos at Velim here http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=3100789&postcount=98 http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=3100800&postcount=100 http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=3100834&postcount=105 Edited August 23, 2017 by Talltim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Will they need to fit Thunderbird 57 style Delners to the 73's, 92's and 86's that haul them? The 73/9s are currently being fitted with at least 2 back in Scotland with them. Assume the 92s will be next. Some photos at Velim here http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=3100789&postcount=98 http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=3100800&postcount=100 http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=3100834&postcount=105 Only visible to members sadly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2017 I think I've read that it's to avoid manual coupling, the dellners (same as most modern MUs) can be operated without a person entering the 4ft which is inherently safer than having someone drop down between coaches and/or locos. Not really as you still have to go in for the brake pipes and ETH jumpers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Will they need to fit Thunderbird 57 style Delners to the 73's, 92's and 86's that haul them? Don't forget the 90s, 67s, 66s and 47! The 73/9s are currently being fitted with at least 2 back in Scotland with them. Assume the 92s will be next. Only visible to members sadly As mentioned above, the first 2 73s with the Delner Couplings are already back and operating in Scotland with GBRf & Wabtec actually opting for the ROG Style Drop Delner head coupling. These will only be fitted as far as I'm aware to the 73s and 92s. I'm not aware of any plans to fit any other locos with them - The 67 Should be long gone thankfully be the time the Mk5s are in service. https://www.flickr.com/photos/seasprite_v1/35879434811/in/photolist-WExtX2-WmExso-VEP4bz-TQM3EK-TQwaSa-TQwaK6-Ts5F3C-TPPNuk-SMms46-U24HXp-TM91H1-TPtyHx-TXrFBJ-U24s64-SMfKng-TEkS8X-Tt5V8a-RVtqpG-SC52T5-SY6wQJ-SY6bnj-T5NA66-SzTTQp-SzMwvH-SzMuei-RuBUhQ-SxmHkS-SHtpkJ-Sza4sM-RoQ4pj-RcLFKt-RopsLY-Rboduq-Qoy9uY-Qbeekn-Pt8HQb-PNXtgJ-Q2Xskk-Q1hTCZ-NLNyhp-Q1hzCk-PMmrfL-P2TZRQ-P3ZtCE-NVRRi7-NV2y3F-N627R9-NX6gGi-MZfdvq-MYYA3K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted August 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2017 Take it you don't see many Voyagers or 172s then? Thankfully not, but yes, I was waiting for someone to say that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted August 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2017 Not really as you still have to go in for the brake pipes and ETH jumpers That assumes you don't integrate air / power connections into the coupling as per EMUs / DMUs. Alternatively you could go for high level connections as seen on Southern region EMUs which can be joined and separated on the platform Both methods are a lot safer than having someone struggle in the 4ft trying to do it and with a dedicated fleet of locos it wouldn't be beyond the whit of an engineer to fit either option to them if required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Not really as you still have to go in for the brake pipes and ETH jumpersThe stock, locomotives included, that is used for the Le Shuttle services through the Channel Tunnel is equipped with Scharfenberg/Dellner couplings that include everything from databus connections to the power supplies (1500V IIRC) for the onboard hotel services on each set of wagons, as well as the air and brake pipes. In comparison, an all services autocoupler for the sleeper stock ought to be no problem. Normally, the only problem would be what happens in the event that the train has to be rescued, but any semblance of common sense in this department disappeared some time ago when the standard of side buffers and drawhook/buckeye coupler was allowed to lapse. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted August 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2017 If you can manage coupling and uncoupling without needing workers to position themselves between vehicles then that is what should be done. Especially when the days of coaches being coupled up to a range of other coaches in mixed sets have gone, these sleepers will be fixed sets and won't mix with other stock. I remember when people made a big issue of this when DMUs and EMUs went over to the more modern style of couplers which include all of the control and brake connections but in practice it seems to have worked very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 At least they are using an existing coupling type, if they need to be rescued the Thunderbirds are fitted with Delners. With all the DFT meddling over rolling stock procurement It would be nice to see a standard coupling and MW code instigated. Preferably a proper BR(S) style arrangement that let virtually any combination of passenger stock be coupled together and driven as 1 unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted August 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2017 At least they are using an existing coupling type, if they need to be rescued the Thunderbirds are fitted with Delners. Only if everyone is using the same coupling height, which sadly isn't the case.... Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2017 That assumes you don't integrate air / power connections into the coupling as per EMUs / DMUs. Alternatively you could go for high level connections as seen on Southern region EMUs which can be joined and separated on the platform Both methods are a lot safer than having someone struggle in the 4ft trying to do it and with a dedicated fleet of locos it wouldn't be beyond the whit of an engineer to fit either option to them if required. See where you are coming from phil but that isn't happening as the locos aren't having these mods and you can't put the ETH through coupler heads, even when coupling to a pendilino a 57 still has to couple the ETH cables separately I don't know what the modern railway has against manual coupling up ,yes its a bit dirty but if done correctly perfectly safe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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