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Can someone tell me what is the timeframe for the Total livery versions and the grey ones. I see the grey ones have petroleum sector markings which puts them about 1987 and onwards. Thanks

Given what others have said this looks like it originated from the DJM CAD and is not derived from the Hornby version.

Yes. They were mentioned as reduced in their latest email but only two types. I did not realise they had any mk2Fs before now.

They had mk2Fs in stock this week for the first time.

I think it might be resolved. They got some Bachmann stock this week.

I really think it depends a lot on who is running the crowdfunding. Personally with DJM's trackrecord to date I would not give a penny to a DJM project. Other suppliers have managed it far better.

DJM was not involved in the SPA that Kernow took over as far as I know. The fact, as mentioned above, that they actually made it to market would seem to confirm this.

Many thanks. I understand now. I intend to get some BOC tanks so I read your posts with interest. I just got the FFA/FGAs myself and they are superb.

Quick question on the FFA/FGAs. As its 00 why are you changing the wheels? I looked for an answer in the thread but cannot see one. Thanks.

Can we end the debate about IP in regard to other independently produced CADs. DJM are in dispute about CADs for various DJM models ard are totally at liberty to do so. However DJM cannot claim IP over CADs and subsequent models someone else has independently created. He admits as much in his second announcement despite it still containing factual inaccuracies.

For many years I felt there was a lot of BS coming from DJM. "Illegal approach", "£250,000 of tooling", whatever happened in China, whatever happened with private commissions. It was one excuse after another and throw away comments that did more harm then good. Too many parties engaged and then walked away. Too many to be co-incidence. Something just seemed off. I was quite happy to be proved wrong but always advised others not to invest in any of these projects. Sorry it is come to this and I hope people can get money back but I have my doubts. If there is to be any hope there has to be product and there has to be product quickly. I am not holding my breath.

DJM cannot make a class 74 because it would infringe his own copyright on the class 71 as they are too similar. He would have to sue himself if he did

Good point. I cannot see them publishing. It is factually incorrect. Whoever owns the IP of the CADs decides who can use those CADs but anyone can create their own CADs of the same prototype. That has always been the case. As I said before if this due to a dispute over the ownership of the DJM CADs then I can understand the reasoning but to think that just by doing a CAD you prevent anyone else creating their own CAD and making a model is pure and simple nonsense. The fact that DJM could issue a statement like this and promote it in advance as if it was a major development makes me seriously question the competence involved. End of the road stuff.

Hornby own the rights to the original Lima model.

Exactly

I do not think it is an announcement, more of a delusional rant. DJM might have a case against some using his CADs but none whatsoever with anyone who creates their own. If his argument had merit Hornby would be able to stop him producing a class 92 model as they already did one.

He has done CADs that are allegedly the subject of dispute between DJM and a factory in China. It has also been alleged that there are attempts to sell these CADs to pay for monies owed. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this I can see the motivation for trying to protect the CADs as Intellectual Property as they are indeed IP. However, as previous posters have stated, this does nothing to stop a 3rd party creating new CADs from scratch and doing their own model. If DJM thinks it does then this really calls into question his intelligence and competency. This is nothing short of delusional. Models have been made for many years, not just of railway items but of cars, planes - you name it. As mentioned in this thread, it is the original design that is unique not the model. The only thing that could be protected is if some component used a new approach, e.g. a motor used a new and innovative mechanism. Such a mechanism could be patented. However thinking that anyone who patents the design of any class of loco or anything else (including some for which the IP of the original 1:1 design is still in existence) can prevent others from creating their own design is madness. This just opens up DJM to further derision. Its bad enough that others who had previous dealings with him seemed to have no trouble producing models on their own in shorter timescales and to higher standards. This mainly seems to be because the producers wanted their models in the market in the same decade that they ordered them. DJM has produced limited output of models since the companies creation but a high output of excuses . To add this ridiculous statement this evening is just another diversion and a rod for his own back. Reality check Dave. If it was possible to prevent others from making a model of something you were producing a model of then someone would have done it before. I had wished DJM would succeed and offer more choice to modelers but my confidence had long since gone well before today. Today's announcement will only hasten the demise. My sympathy here is for those who have lost money investing in DJM schemes.

It is a sound chip and assuming the Bachmann 21 has the same 21 pin socket it would work but the sounds would be incorrect.

The pictures look great. Still waiting for the dispatch of my D600. It should not be long now.

Apologies, brain not engaged, if that was the case you would have a problem with whole train and not just one coach. It does point to one coach being faulty. I have not experienced this. Hopefully someone else will have a better idea.

Are you using a feeback controller or do you have an electronic track cleaner?

Mine is in the second batch too. The ship docked last weekend but customs clearance has to happen. Hopefully the models will arrive with Kernow in the next few days. I have seen one of the first batch models in the flesh and I cannot wait for mine.

First installment paid. I am really looking forward to these. As a satisfied customer of the Redland PGAs I am very confident that the BBAs will be another great model. The CADs look amazing.

Did the wagons just stay in Ellesmere Port until the containers returned?

Very well done. I will definitely be getting a copy.