firefly9 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Has anyone got available for sale/copying/borrowing a set of engineers drawings for the cowans sheldon 76 ton breakdown cranes as rebuilt after the mid 1970's. I'm not after the modern hydraulic jib ones. I'm after drawings of the crane that the Hornby 75 tonner is based on, like my profile pic on the left. any help much appreciated. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 There's a recently published book on the subjact. http://www.noodlebooks.co.uk/product/view/2061 Whether Vol.1 covers your period of interest, l can't say. lt does include plenty of drawings, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
49395 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Are you a member of DEMU? If no-one else comes up with anything, and you are a member, they're drawing exchange service may be able to help you. (Alas since my modelling interests have gone decidedly pre gouping I'm no longer a member) Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 There's a recently published book on the subjact. http://www.noodleboo...oduct/view/2061 Whether Vol.1 covers your period of interest, l can't say. lt does include plenty of drawings, though. I haven't seen Peter's new book, but understand the two volumes are divided into smaller and larger cranes, so the big later ones are in volume 2. I am aware that Peter is at proofing stage of volume 2 but I don't know when it will appear - possibly it will depend on sales of volume 1 (which is being heavily discounted via Amazon!) Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 There's a recently published book on the subjact. http://www.noodlebooks.co.uk/product/view/2061 Whether Vol.1 covers your period of interest, l can't say. lt does include plenty of drawings, though. Thank you for drawing attention to that, Ceptic, I wasn't aware that there was a new book on what is a neglected subject. At risk of straying into the domain of the "Media" forum, other general works are "Carlisle's Crane Makers: The Cowans Sheldon Story" (Earnshaw, 2004) and "Railway Steam Cranes" (Brownlie, 1973), not that easy to find (the latter often quite expensive). I'm not near my library at the moment, but I don't think either contain engineering drawings. The SLS library has a copy of "Discussion of Design & Development of 75 Tonne Rail Cranes", a 1979 paper from the Insitute of Mechanical Engineers (8pp), but I have no idea of its contents. As far as I can ascertain, the Cowans Sheldon records are held at the Cumbria Archive Centre, Carlisle (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=23), which might be a good place to start research into what drawings exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 There have been a couple of threads on this forum about making the Hornby offering look more like a proper crane but you may have to search the content to find them (unless someone can give you the right reference of course). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (which is being heavily discounted via Amazon!) Paul Bartlett Er, yes. Title currently listed on Amazon as "Railway Breakdown Cranes: Volume 1: The Publisher's RRP is £33. NOT £35. Therefore the saving is not as high as you state." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly9 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 cheers for all the help guys. rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Peter Tatlows Vol 1 covers cranes without relieveing bogies. For the crane your looking at will be covered in Vol 2, which it has been suggested will be out next year. If vol 2 is as good as vol1 then there is a good chance there will be general drawing for the Cowans crane. From a very happy owner of Vol 1. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Peter Tatlow's Vol 1 covers cranes without relieving bogies. For the crane your looking at will be covered in Vol 2, which it has been suggested will be out next year. If vol 2 is as good as vol1 then there is a good chance there will be general drawing for the Cowans crane. From a very happy owner of Vol 1. Gordon A Bristol Sorry, Gordon is right, volume 1 will not cover the big cranes such as what you are looking for. The writing of volume 2 is fairly well advanced, as are the drawings (which will, I am sure, include the Cowans Sheldon cranes). I beleive the ETA for the publication of no 2 is around this time next year - Kevin (of Noodle Books willing!). I can tell you that I know that both the Hornby and the old Hornby Double O models are both quite badly basta*dised! I think they tended to mix in the jib of a smaller crane so it was more able to go around toy track curves! Whilst I would have to admit to a little bias (I am the author's son!), I did think that volume 1 is a very good book; both from a historian's point of view but also a modeller's. The history of the development of these things, with several firms competing to make their product better/more attractive than the others was very interesting. One family matter to be overcome but if you are at the Glasgow show, my father is likely to be there and is likely to be on hand with one of the booksellers to autograph the book if that is of interest to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Well Tatty, please pass on my compliments to your father, as I've had my copy of Volume 1 for around a week and am very impressed (as with his other books and articles, I must add). I'm pleased to see from the blurb about it that Volume 2 will include diesel cranes among the larger steam examples. One thing that initially threw me - I should have read the title more carefully at first - is that the new book restricts itself to breakdown cranes, whereas Brownlie casts a wider net to include permanent way cranes and some crane locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 One thing that initially threw me - I should have read the title more carefully at first - is that the new book restricts itself to breakdown cranes, whereas Brownlie casts a wider net to include permanent way cranes and some crane locomotives. And a rather large and fragmented topic that is too!! Whilst I think that breakdown cranes is my father's prime interest, i am not sure the other cranes are a never say never option. I will pass your comments on to my father, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Mark, For what it is worth I would also be very interested in a book on rail mounted industrial cranes. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Er, yes. Title currently listed on Amazon as "Railway Breakdown Cranes: Volume 1: The Publisher's RRP is £33. NOT £35. Therefore the saving is not as high as you state." I got mine from Amazon, admittedly pre-order for £26 to be honest it is worth the £33/35 it's an excellent book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Brownlie casts a wider net to include permanent way cranes and some crane locomotives. Brownlie's book is "Railway Steam Cranes" so IIRC the 1961/2 diesel cranes only get a brief mention as they fall outside the title. Tatlow's books are about Breakdown Cranes per se so should include the diesels. Other railway company cranes, steam or diesel, could presumably cover volumes of their own, especially if you include runner and crew vehicles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Mark, For what it is worth I would also be very interested in a book on rail mounted industrial cranes. Gordon A Bristol The Track Machines books by Roger Butcher, published by Platform 5 included BR smaller cranes - although simply listings. I have quite a lot of photographs of such cranes in this gallery http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ontrackplant For the modeller these are of rather more use than the much rarer breakdown cranes. But, with so many types, origins, etc. they would be a difficult subject to get into a book. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 ... The SLS library has a copy of "Discussion of Design & Development of 75 Tonne Rail Cranes", a 1979 paper from the Insitute of Mechanical Engineers (8pp), but I have no idea of its contents. ... This - very interesting paper - concerns the development and design of the (not altogether successful) telescopic-jib diesel-hydraulic cranes of which four remain in service at present. Copies are available from the IMechE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I gave my A2 copies away a few years ago, they had a full detail jib drawing with it, I got them from Cowans, cant remember where my A3 set is. I was intending to super detail the Hornby model but found out someone was producing one in O guage, so I lent them the drawings. Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 At risk of straying into the domain of the "Media" forum, other general works are "Carlisle's Crane Makers: The Cowans Sheldon Story" (Earnshaw, 2004) and "Railway Steam Cranes" (Brownlie, 1973), not that easy to find (the latter often quite expensive). . I've just listed a copy of the John Brownlie book in the classifieds section - it may be difficult to obtain, and expensive, but I seem to have managed to buy TWO copies. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hi, I believe Cowan Sheldon drawings were donated to Carlisle Museum and are available there for inspection (& I assume copying), IIRC there is a on-line index Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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