Nelson Jackson Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Hi, I'm hoping that you brilliant people of RMweb can help me here. I'm looking for techniques on how to paint a realistic wood effect for the inside of open wagons. Such as old, run down wood etc.... I have tried, but It dosen't look convincing, so any advice would be appreciated. And if you could share pictures of your work then that would be perfect, just so I know what I'm trying to aim for. Many thanks Nelson Here's the wagon I'm trying to paint the inside of, I have noticed the mistake of the planks on the sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I find it difficult to paint plastic to look convincing. I like this techniques used in this link. You will have to substitute some of the products for equivalent in the UK market. These examples look amazing. http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/weathered_wood/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieS Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Its a bit what suits you I have seen some good effects with the Games workshop "Bleached Bone". My best was a Humbrol "Light oak/leather"mix with lots of matting agent mixed in. There have been some good articles in Model Rail the last few months too. practice on some scrap plastic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nickwood Posted November 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2013 This is something I struggled with for a long time but this is a technique I've now settled on which gives results that are pleasing to my eye at least for bare wood planks on the inside of a well worn wagon. I use acrylics because they can be painted on and then worked with a damp brush to get the desired effect. If possible I like to paint the inside of the wagon kit before removing it from the sprue as it makes it so much easier. Initially the whole sprue was painted a mid/dark brown as an undercoat. The first photo shows the result after three coats of increasingly darker shades over the undercoat. The first colour coat is quite a light beige and left to dry completely. second coat has a bit of mid brown colour added to the beige mix and when almost dry the paint is lightly dragged off with a damp flat brush. Third coat has a touch of dark brown added to the mix and again dragged off when almost dry. Always working along the direction of the planks of course. The second photo shows the next stage. Once thoroughly dry (24 hours) a very thin watered down wash of a grimy grey black mix is brushed along the planks with a flat brush, the excess dabbed off with a piece of kitchen towel left a couple of minutes and repeated until the shade looks right. I aimed to leave the colour darker in the corners. A final run over with a slightly damp flet brush finishes it off. The final shot shows the completed wagon. I didn't bother painting the internal strapping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 Here's my pathetic, rubbish attempt compared to the others. I feel the problem may be that I've used too much brown and not enough grey? Is this right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Nothing to be ashamed of there- just a bit too "distinct", considering the scale of things. A wash with Games Workshop Nullun Oil or Devlan Mud will tone and blend it all together. Another option would be drybrushing a light grey or creamy shade over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Your wagon looks OK, maybe a little brown, I would go with a little more grey. Have you got a shed in your garden that has not been painted for a few years? If you have take a photo and put it on your bench when working. I think you have to be careful of using brown for old wood. White woods will go more of a silver grey with age. Even red wood will tend to get a silvery sheen. I tend to use more creams and black for mine. But even so I do not think I go grey enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 5, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hi Nelson, don't be thinking your first attempt is pathetic, it's a good start. I'd also agree you need more lighter colours and greys. It took me a while and many attempts to get towards something I was happy with (see my workbench link below). Have a look here for a range of weathered wood colourings: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=weathered+wood&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=1GF5UtPtLcbJhAfBx4GoCQ&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1574&bih=879 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nickwood Posted November 6, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2013 Hi Nelson I think it looks ok too and just needs a dirty wash over as Ben Alder suggests or a weak black or dark grey mix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob O Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Just picked up my beer supply from Sainsburys and also Hornby Magazines Skills guide on weathering. Tells you all! £5,99 well spent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Thank you all for the comments and suggestions, I really do appreciate it, please do keep them coming. Here's how it's looking now, I've added a fairly dark grey wash (thinned down paint) over the top and it's looking better than before? Do i need to dry brush another colour over the top? Or does it look fine? The coal hasn't been glued down, it's to see what it looks like with coal added. Once again guys, I really do appreciate all your help, many thanks. Edit: I will take more better pics tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 Here's some more photos as promised, what do we think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieS Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I don't think coal was carried in 5 plank wagons. Pity to load it with how it's coming on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted November 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2013 In theory it wasn't supposed to be carried in 5 plank merchandise wagons, but it often was, and 5-plank mineral wagons were quite common with smaller coal merchants. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 I don't think coal was carried in 5 plank wagons. Pity to load it with how it's coming on.Thank you for your comment, You may correct to say coal wasn't carried in 5 plank wagons? on the mainland, but this wagon is supposed to be a representation of an NCC (northern counties committee) 5 plank wagon which, over here in Northern Ireland definitely did carry coal. 3 plank wagons were also used to carry coal as well over here as well. Thank you Nelson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nickwood Posted November 9, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2013 That's looking really good now Nelson. If it going to definitely going to be a coal carrying wagon then it probably would improve it slightly by treating it to a black wash. You want it thin enough so that the colour goes into the corners and along the gaps in the planking. You might also want to think about rust weathering the internal strapping as it is so prominent. Coal is very corrosive to ironwork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 Thank you, That's next on the list, to paint and weather the internal straps. Along with weathering the whole body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieS Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Thank you for your comment, You may correct to say coal wasn't carried in 5 plank wagons? on the mainland, but this wagon is supposed to be a representation of an NCC (northern counties committee) 5 plank wagon which, over here in Northern Ireland definitely did carry coal. 3 plank wagons were also used to carry coal as well over here as well. Thank you Nelson I stand corrected. Sorry guys. My father was on the railway and I guess the rulebook and Thomas the tank went hand in hand. I love it when I'm right and I love it when I'm wrong. Long live rmweb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 I would like to say a big thank you to everyone who had helped and commented, I really appreciate it, many thanks This is how it's looking now. I've added some rust to the inside metal work and I've decided that It won't carry a load (to nice to cover up) now I need to weather the outside. Sk what do we think? Edit: I'm sorry about the lighting, just took the photos there now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2013 It looks grubby and worn, with nice tonal variations. Excellent job Nelson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Great work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Kingdom Brunel Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 One thing you could try is to scrub over it with a fibreglass pen, which will allow some of the lower colours to come through. I start with Humbrol natural Wood and a light grey on top of halfords grey primer. Let that dry then add a little darker grey and brown dry brushed along the grain. let that dry then dry brush matt black across the grain. Finally a light grey wash. Let it dry for 24 hours at least then attack it with the fibreglass brush. As Nick says it is easier if you do this before construction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 Thank you for all the suggestions, I really do appreciate it, many thanks. All this information is very useful for any other upcoming projects I have, Here she is all finished. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/75169-nelsons-oo-gauge-workbench-new-5-plank-wagon-loxborough-inspired/page-4&do=findComment&comment=1232573 Do you need to wear gloves when using fibre glass pencils? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nickwood Posted November 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2013 Do you need to wear gloves when using fibre glass pencils? Only if it's cold Seriously, I always mean to wear some latex gloves when using a fibre glass pencil but somehow always forget. More often than not I get some of those irritating fibres stuck in my hand. Nice job on the wagon by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campaman Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yup, nice job on the wagon... So far.. Painting and weathering the wheels will really finish it off, you obviously don't paint the wheel treads though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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