RMweb Gold Steve Hewitt Posted February 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2014 I didnt actually answer your question, 20 boards,when assembled 24ft x 8ft, continious run, although the sizes are still on the beer mat drawing board so not set in stone just yet. the 6 boards that contain the coal yard/goods yard on the front of the layout which is only 3 sidings wont be very wide. Im debating on using clips rather than coach bolts and wing nuts although that can only be on the fiddle yard as I cant use them on the doubled up scenic boards. Hi Michael, When you build the baseboards, try to keep a space of a couple of inches under each signal clear of obstructions for the servo motors! It'll make installation so much easier if there are no cross-beams or point motors etc. to work round. I've been looking at the design of the signal with a sighting board. The LMS drawings show two posts, usually side by side, but one behind the other if necessary. That might be just where a home and distant are used, to keep the wind load under control. Do you know if your signal will require twin posts, or was only a single post used because there was only one sighting board? Its not clear to me on the photo you provided. Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 Im not sure to be honest Steve as all the shots I have of it are too far away. To me it looks like the sighting board is hung from the signal post, unless the post is there but painted black with the bottom of it painted white, opposite to the signal post? This shot in 1950 shows the original CLC lower quadrant. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard of the Moor Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Might the 'sighting board' actually be painted onto the stonework of the bridge? I've seen photos of this in other locations, Stevenage, maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 I dont think so because when the signal was removed the white paint would have been visible on the tunnel wall. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2014 The sighting board on the UQ signal appears to be a standard LMS type. IIRC they were fitted to the post on two strips of angle or channel section. The distant signal at Georges Road in the top post on this page appears to have the remains of a sighting board bracket. http://forum.signalbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1193&p=12715&hilit=sighting+board#p12715 As for the double post option, this example at St Albans showed another variation. http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin_addison/4859465983/. This is a much higher signal than Walton and in the open, so the wind loading would be a lot greater. This signal also had a distant arm underneath at one time. The reason for putting the second post behind the signal was due to restricted clearances to the sidings which used to be there. Note the weight bar is high up with a second ladder to get to it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2014 Im not sure to be honest Steve as all the shots I have of it are too far away. To me it looks like the sighting board is hung from the signal post, unless the post is there but painted black with the bottom of it painted white, opposite to the signal post? signal.JPG img013b.JPG 1462175_10152252671237741_1648675781_n.jpg This shot in 1950 shows the original CLC lower quadrant. clc walton m v2.jpg I remember walking down that platform when I bunked the shed in 1961. Sadly i didn't take any pictures. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 I think its on the post too, it would also account for why the signal post is a lot taller than the signal arm, for the top strap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2014 I think its on the post too, it would also account for why the signal post is a lot taller than the signal arm, for the top strap? That's right. The top of the sighting board extended above the top strap - it was the curved part that was up there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Steve Hewitt Posted February 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2014 Thanks for your observations everyone. I'll go for a single post. Steve. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 I think it you look close at the first and second photos above you can see the top strap between the board and the post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 Ive made a start on some track, one of the main running lines had flatbottom rail with BR1 spiked baseplates so I have been building some of this from Colin Craig, it is fiddly and has taken a little bit of experiment and thought to get a production line going, luckily there wasnt much of this on the area that will be modelled, from the distance of the coaling stage to the subway on one running line. Each baseplate is made up of 2 pieces which fold up to make the baseplate, this is fiddly as when folding its easy to damage, Ive found the best way is to glue the sleepers down with pva, tin the top of them, tin the bottom of the rail and put solder paste in the baseplate, then when assembled touch the top of the rail with my Resistance soldering Iron and it all solders together. Then bend up the spikes, putting some bras wire inbetween while bending them to get the curve of the spike then removing the brass wire. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWales Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Nice work Mike! Fancy doing mine too....... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 no thanks, its taken an age just to get one equivalent of a 60ft panel done, I may cut them into panels to help prevent warping. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 I think it was probably quicker to assemble a full sized one than the model.. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c47_1305499120 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWales Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 And easier on the eyes too!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 A little bit more, making the chairs up.. soldered along one rail first to allow for expansion when soldering, then remove the paper template and secure to the board to solder the second rail. feeding the chair in.. Im off to watch match of the day 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWales Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Neat work there Mike! You're getting good at this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Get some fibreglass and give the whole area a cracking burnish will aid you no end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 This how I did some sightboards in 7mm if it's any help JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Nice signals John. I dont dare go near the chairs with a fibreglass brush or even a toothbrush, the spikes are very delicate and will just ping off. Ill give the track a spray of primer when I have shaved the centre of the copper on the sleepers away with a cutting disc. Just making up some more chairs for when I do the next panel, folding them takes some care so that they bend correctly , because they are tags to fold back on themselves its easy to get them wonky or bend them too far or not enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Give em a rub flat...then burnish the rail and sleepers. Once done dunk the lot in hot water. Nice signals John. I dont dare go near the chairs with a fibreglass brush or even a toothbrush, the spikes are very delicate and will just ping off. Ill give the track a spray of primer when I have shaved the centre of the copper on the sleepers away with a cutting disc. Just making up some more chairs for when I do the next panel, folding them takes some care so that they bend correctly , because they are tags to fold back on themselves its easy to get them wonky or bend them too far or not enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Excellent work, Mike. Good to see someone doing some proper pre-concrete sleeper FB permanent way. It was more common than many people think. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Thanks David , there will be some concrete sleepered track too but with bullhead rail on the opposite running line, can see that in some of the prototype shots, it will be c&l sleepers and chairs although I am a little concerned about rtr flanges I use hitting c&l chairs. I am yet to order it. Edited February 10, 2014 by Michael Delamar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 I am a little concerned about rtr flanges I use hitting c&l chairs. I am yet to order it. Shouldn't be a problem. Chris Nevard's recent layouts have used chaired track with rtr stock and he seems to manage ok! David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWales Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Mike-have read on Worsdell Forever(Paul Gallon)'s thread that C&L EM gauge track is currently unavailable due to tooling problems, so you may need to use another source I have some EM trackbases if that helps you in any way 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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